<p>Can we please go back to the original question? If not, consider your argument conceded.</p>
<p>bendrumfront - This has nothing to do with political correctness.</p>
<p>I'm just following the data, the actual evidence of what "modern Christians" think.</p>
<p>Are you suggesting that evidence is unimportant and that we should make assertions based on hunches, emotion, or opinion?</p>
<p>In my view, education should be about developing a rational persuasion and the skills needed to test ideas with logic and evidence. We can model that on this site or....not. </p>
<p>But why wouldn't we want to use logic and evidence?</p>
<p>"Christianity teaches that homosexual acts are sinful, not homosexuality itself. If you experience homosexual desires, aside from prayer, there is little you can do about it. But you can choose not to act on them."</p>
<p>My point is WHY is acting on homosexual acts "sinful"? I gave my line of thought, so feel free to enlighten me. I just might buy your little argument if you can defend it. Didn't God say even THINKING about sinful thoughts is a sin? See: old testament? Im pretty sure it does at one point.</p>
<p>Fides- I'm glad to see that's how you view individuals with views opposed to yours <em>sarcasm</em></p>
<p>Let me repeat, I AM Christian. Now, I don't claim to not be close-minded, how can I not be? I'm human. The point of this thread was to say that homosexuality or sexuality in general should not be counter/opposed to Christianity, because, in MY opinion, the two CAN coexist.</p>
<p>Yeah, I think so called "Christians" need to read their Bible, and make sure everything in their life is right before they start wasting time telling people it's wrong to be gay.</p>
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In Deutoronomy, male homosexuality (women are not in the verse and it is grammatically male only) is a sin on par with eating shellfish.
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<p>I wouldn't say that's true, it is also in Romans, and Hebrews and it's described as more serious then eating shellfish. But the Bible says that focus has to be put on converting people to christianity, not pointing out their sins(ovbiously they are sinning, or you wouldn't have to convert them, no need to point it out, put them down and make them hate you, then never want to become christians.)</p>
<p>AS far as I am concerned, Fides, you are spouting gibberish. Your thinking goes a bit like this: It's true because the Bible says so....why does the Bible say so? Because it's true...Why is it true? Because the Bible says so...PURELY CIRCULAR THINKING! GEEZ WE'RE GOIN' BACK TO THE MIDDLE AGES HERE!!</p>
<p>Now, I apologize, I just want progress of this country...and I have become disillusioned with what SOME evangelicals have done with this country <em>ahemBUSH</em></p>
<p>Yeah. Such line of argumentation is laughable.</p>
<p>Chrisitans often twist what the bible says, so it works for them(not all, but some), and loose the true meaning. Instead of focusing on one verse, focus on the book.</p>
<p>"My point is WHY is acting on homosexual acts "sinful"? I gave my line of thought, so feel free to enlighten me."</p>
<p>Christians (and Jews and Muslims) believe that homosexual acts are sinful because they believe that God has revealed this to them. It is an aspect of their religions. What more do you need to understand?</p>
<p>If you aren't a Christian or a Jew or a Muslim, I don't expect you to believe in that aspect of Christianity, Judaism or Islam.</p>
<p>Okay. Im fine with that. But don't you believe it becomes a problem when you try to impose those views on others?</p>
<p>p.s, "Because they believe that God has revealed this to them", is the same thing I said earlier, and that just falls into that "circular thinking" mentioned in post #46.</p>
<p>It's sinful because of the way God made creation. Man and Women, Adam and Eve, not man and man, or women and women. Also, it distortes how God views the church, The church is his bride, and he is the groom. Some may see it as wrong but...Why is lying wrong? I mean it actually helps you get out of tough situations( I know it's not the same thing but it's how christians compare it). You can't change the Bible because it's convient for you, so Christians need to follow every rule in the Bible. If your saying that God is stupid (which i'm sure many think he is, go to the thread that asks if God exists).</p>
<p>Fides-</p>
<p>THAT line of thinking is NOT what most Jews (reform) believe today. </p>
<p>Furthermore, doesn't it tell you something that ALL three major organized religions (you would probably say VERY different), at least in YOUR opinion, are opposed to homosexuality? Does that not tell you something about religion in general? Does that not say something about the intolerance?</p>
<p>And how can you tell me not to steretype Christians when you make a statemnt like that? God, PLEASE take some debate classes and learn how to make REAL arguments. I'm starting to think you're a closet sophist.</p>
<p>"It's sinful because of the way God made creation."</p>
<p>Mmmh...and that also falls into the same line of "circular thinking" mentioned in post #46.</p>
<p>I believe that organized religion OFTEN leads to ignorance because individuals are not allowed to think for themselves, individuals lose the necessary autonomy to form a firm ground to stand on...and YOUR arguments have just proven this to me even more!</p>
<p>Bendrumfront, If you say you are a christian, then your claim you are a member of a bible believing religin. You should probably agree with the Bible, or join a religion you believe in. I personally am not a Christian because I don't believe the Bible. You can choose some parts and say,yeah, I like the love idea, I'm a Christian but I ignore the rest.</p>
<p>Well, if you are a christian, you're supposed to belive all the bible says, your life becomes based on the bible firewalker.</p>
<p>I just don't understand why such "victimless crimes" are so stigmatized. Doesn't make much sense, really.</p>
<p>Have you ever taken a world history class? You should do a little research of Aquinas and scholasticism. </p>
<p>Circular thinking is a negative product of always being told what to believe. It goes a little like this...all cows are animals....are animals are brown...so all cows are brown. This is CLEARLY false to you and I, but it demonstrates what can happen if you have never seen an animal...if you have never ventured outside of the same box...the weird things you come up with, the things you conclude....and it makes sense to conclude that becuase it's all you know...I'm just telling you to step out of that box.</p>
<p>Frenchvanilla- please do not lecture me. That is not true.</p>
<p>"Okay. Im fine with that. But don't you believe it becomes a problem when you try to impose those views on others?"</p>
<p>But don't you understand that we ALL impose our beliefs on others in democracies, whether our beliefs come from religion or elsewhere? Things become laws (or remain laws) because the majority votes for them. </p>
<p>I don't believe that I should have to pay for the universal health care system in Canada, but I am forced to do it because the people voted for it. I could angrily see that as them -- the people who believe in universal health care -- imposing their views on me in a very real way (money is certainly coming out of my pocket for it, against my will). But I don't. I recognize that it is simply part of living in a democracy.</p>