<p>Actually, I have heard of him and have read of him. I'm not a Chrisitan. I don't believe it. But no, Gays shouldn't be targeted it's twisting the Bible. But yes, it is a sin. Stop asking why it is a sin. The only answer is "circular thinking". Unless you understand everything about God or are God no one can answer why he decided it was a sin.</p>
<p>Right. Which is why I chose to question the very foundation of your entire belief. And you just stated, "If you are a christian, you're supposed to belive all the bible says..."</p>
<p>In other words, the Bible says this, and therefore it is true/good/insert<em>whatever</em>descriptor.</p>
<p>that's the main idea, fire walker.</p>
<p>Oh, and about me lecturing you, what do you call telling me to take a world history class. I'm sorry if i offended you, i got worked up. Sorry, it was a very rude remark, but Christians are supposed to believe everything the Bible says is true. Sorry, should have said that in a way that wouldn't offfebd you. So sorry:)</p>
<p>So is that your justification to perpetuate it? Pretty weak if you ask me. And again, you dodged the question.</p>
<p>And yes, I do understand that we impose our beliefs, some of which are more solidly grounded in logic than others, hence the idea of "separation of church and state". You cannot say that certain dogma exist and therefore should be considered free from secular law.</p>
<p>I know that's the main idea. Not a very logically grounded one, however.</p>
<p>Frenchvanilla-</p>
<p>W-T-F? Wow. I'm so sorry for you. I mean, that's reallly all I can say, I really am sorry that you feel you cannot question because "that's the way it just is"</p>
<p>Here's a little lesson for you & Fides to demonstate why I think Christians have a responsibility to support tolerance and homosexuality:</p>
<p>Christians used to use the Bible to validate slavery. They used the story of Abraham and Ham, and there is a verse about how all Ham's brothers should be enslaved. Thus, many American Christians used this to argue for slavery. </p>
<p>Now, if abolitionists, such as Harriet Tubman, had never questioned this, what kind of world do you think we would still live in?</p>
<p>yeah, that's their justification. Remember I'm not a christian, so it's not my justification.</p>
<p>It is, I admit, in human nature to attack insecurities in others. But, I assert, that is NOT within Jesus' teachings. </p>
<p>So, I believe there is a place for homosexuals within Christianity. And, no, don't feed me all that crap about Jesus loving them. Admit it, you still think homosexuals are going to Hell. That is WRONG AND INTOLERANT!</p>
<p>And, the Bible is a convenient and even useful way to validate our fears of others, just as it was able to comfort the slaveowners.</p>
<p>Now, Fides, I am NOT comparing you to a slaveowner, I am comparing your line of thinking to that of the American slaveowner more than a century ago. </p>
<p>Please, PLEASE, at least allow yourself to assess your own thinking. Do a little research, at least try to see the other side of things, because it IS intolerant.</p>
<p>Look, Why are you getting so mad at me, just because I know what christians believe doesn't mean I believe it. Anyways, what's the point in asking if you really don't care, and feel sorry for me because I know the reason why they believe being gay is wrong.</p>
<p>W-T-F bendrumfront, it only works if you believe the bible, no one would be scared unless they did believe it.</p>
<p>Fides-</p>
<p>Christians used to use the Bible to validate slavery. They used the story of Abraham and Ham, and there is a verse about how all Ham's brothers should be enslaved. Thus, many American Christians used this to argue for slavery. </p>
<p>Now, if abolitionists, such as Harriet Tubman, had never questioned this, what kind of world do you think we would still live in?</p>
<p>PLEASE at least consider this, Fides.</p>
<p>He finds really convenient times to be absent, eh? I wish he would actually defend his positions instead of constantly weaseling/dodging.</p>
<p>he stopped talking like an hour ago.</p>
<p>Well, I guess you have nothing to say to that. </p>
<p>Sometimes pushing the envelope is a good thing. Look what it's given us:
Democracy, Freedom, Equality of Opportunity...and there is still room to push.</p>
<p>Haha, it's OK.</p>
<p>All I know is that I will work twice as hard as he does to prove my point about homosexuals and Christianity. There IS room for them within the Christian faith.</p>
<p>"he stopped talking like an hour ago."</p>
<p>Wonder why? lol.</p>
<p>And I won't be shutting up anytime soon. Sorry, Fides. Obviously he doesn't like thinking too hard about his intolerance, it scares him.</p>
<p>I argued with him once on the issue of the FISA/wiretapping. Really disappointed.</p>