<p>Took the info session / tour. Nice campus; fine programs. How hard is it for an o/o/s student to be admitted ?</p>
<p>well obviously its harder than an in state student. just look at the stats part of this forum or search with in the uva forum for ppl on this forum and their decisions and stats.</p>
<p>there's definately a chance! i'm from Arizona and i got admitted. UVA actually has quite a large percentage of out of staters, when compared to other public schools such as ucla.</p>
<p>About 28% of University of Virginia's undergraduate students are from out-of-state (and another 5% are international students).</p>
<p>Compare this to UCLA's 5% OOS and 5% international, UC Berkeley's 11% OOS and 3% international, and UCSD's 2% OOS and 3% international and you see why it's considered easier for an OOS or international student to get into the Univ of Virginia than a top-rated Univ of California school.</p>
<p>Wow UCSD!!!</p>
<p>I don't know about that, calcruzer. I'd wager that UVA attracts a good deal more high-quality OOS apps than UCSD and likely gets a better yield on them, too. And while UCLA might only be 5% OOS, it's also significantly larger than UVA.</p>
<p>I thought schools wanted to increase their OOS population. Dont they get more tution out of it? Doesn't an increased OOS population make your school seem better?</p>
<p>yes, but unfortunately the taxpayers of virginia expect a certain amount of ppl to be able to go there, and same w the gov't. so unless you want oos-ers paying a LOT more than they currently do, it's not gonna happen.</p>
<p>^ why is that unfortunate?</p>
<p>some people need to comes to grips with the fact that UVa is a public school...and always will be. people don't make the same argument about uconn or asu... While its understandable--especially since the state of virginia hasn't really lived up to its end of the bargain for supporting UVa in the last 15 or so years--it has done at the very least a pretty decent job of it for the previous 180 years.</p>
<p>it's not impossible to get in but the standards, i think, are higher but this happens everywhere (like the UC system) so just make sure that you have an edge over other OSS applicants and not the in-state kids cuz i read that they have separate piles for admissions</p>
<p>UVA is Mister Jefferson's school, and i believe it was his wish to be for Virginians first! and as an OOS parent , one can definitely get in...with all the difficulty and pride of an ivy! with mixed emotions, we say good bye to that awesome place in a few weeks at graduation!</p>
<p>I don't think we can read the mind of a man long gone from this world. Although he had a great committment to the legislation of VA, it doesn't mean that he prefers Virginians to be enrolled at this school. Traditions which are so rich in UVA don't break away very easily, and there's so much historical reference at this school that sometimes it's pointless and irrelevant.</p>
<p>Hazelorb: I agree...unless the OOS are willing to pay a ton more, IS students still have priority. Also, the GA would need to have blinders and earmuffs on and be taken to the desert while UVa, or any state school, replaces IS with OOS students.</p>
<p>Jags: nicely said. very nicely said.</p>
<p>tenniscraze: I doubt he would have cared who enrolled in his school, as long as they were smart. However, at the time, there were far less states than exist today. So, i doubt a ton of OOS attended anyways =P But today's IS/OOS battle doesn't lie in tradition, it lies in the GA and Board of Visitors' hands. And they still think IS taxpayers' kiddies deserve to take advantage of their hard earned money, which I think is true of any taxpayer in any state. If every state school was public and of equal caliber, I doubt there would be this issue, because there would be no appeal to go OOS.</p>
<p>There's never going to be an end to this debate. And while it's a good debate, UVa isn't changing now, and it doesn't look like it'll be changing anytime soon. So is it really worth the fight on CC? Yes, it's harded for OOS students to be admitted. Yes, IS students get the benifit because their parents have been already paying their tution for atleast a year (in an indirect way). And yes, the GA is still alive and thumping for its taxpayers. </p>
<p>Long live Virginia! (as in the state...its quite a wonderful debacle, just look at NoVa vs the rest of the state)</p>
<p>Maybe because I'm IS, but I just don't understand. Thomas Jefferson or not, UVa is just a Va state school. It seems fairly obvious that there would be preference given to IS students. I don't really care if OOS kids are so much better, I suppose if they feel Va is so below them they wouldn't have applied so I don't put much stock in it. Va has good schools and has a long tradition of education at many levels and that's why our public education system (not just UVa, but the other great universities, the Governors' Schools, etc) is so good. IS families pay taxes to the state of Va, just like OOS people paid taxes to their state. I'm sure if the OOS kids went to their public schools they'd have an easier time getting in and it would be cheaper too. That's just how the public education system works. </p>
<p>I wouldn't like to see UVA change from a public school, I don't see why it would, and I don't think it will any time in the foreseeable near future. Va, for as much as NOVA'ians harp on it, is a pretty good deal. I'm from NOVA too and I don't really buy into the whining about Va, people can move if they like, really they stay because it's a nice place to live. I know plenty of smart kids from Gov School from all over Va, even the rural parts, maybe they don't have all the big city advantages but that doesn't make them inherently less smart or have less potential. In fact they may have a perspective that's very valuable, I frankly enjoyed the company of a lot of these kids, they are on the whole more polite, respectful, and hard working than where I am from, where people don't always realize what they have and take advantage of it, and everyone's time is more important than everyone else's. Va has taken a recent divisive turn IMO with the attention laid on the NOVA/ROVA nonsense and it isn't accomplishing anything. If you think there is a problem with parts of Va, then either consider it your duty as a citizen of Va to change it, or realize that it really doesn't bother you all that much. It seems like the NOVA/ROVA jokes and complaining is just getting popular and people don't really think about it and about whether they really really believe it.</p>
<p>cavalier302,</p>
<p>It's true that UCLA has a high enrollment, but they also get more applications than any other school in the country (over 40,000 freshman undergraduate applications during the most recent year). And as far as GPA comparisons, UCLA has an average UC GPA of 4.12 (which is a capped, weighted GPA--which means the actual weighted GPA is higher) versus UVA's 4.0 weighted GPA. (UCSD's is 4.05--and is also a capped, weighted GPA).</p>
<p>The same applies to the SAT scores. The UCs only take the best single sitting score versus the best score from each part from multiple sittings--thus the SAT scores at UCLA of 629/660 are essentially equivalent to UVA's 659/671. (UCSD's are 600/650). </p>
<p>And if you look at the number of people admitted who were in the top 10% of their class, it's 97% at UCLA and 84% at UVA (UCSD's is 99%)--so I don't think you can say that it is tougher to get into UVA than UCLA or UCSD.</p>
<p>I think your point about yield is more on the mark. In-state students pay only fees of $7,000 (zero tuition) at UCLA versus an OOS cost of $24,000 plus very high room and board fees of $12,000 or so, while at UVA in-state pays 7,000 versus OOS of $24,000, but room and board fees of only $6,000. </p>
<p>So an OOS student being accepted at both schools would pay $38,000 per year to attend UCLA, but only $32,000 to attend UVA. This would undoubtedly encourage many OOS students to attend UVA instead of UCLA--especially if they already lived closer to the east coast (thus also saving on travel costs). </p>
<p>Of course, in the long-run, I would think most students would be happy to gain admittance to either school. I was lucky enough to be able to get my MBA at UCLA--and my son will shortly be taking summer courses at UVA--with a view to possibly applying for transfer to McIntire--so it's difficult for me to argue against the great attributes of either school.</p>
<p>just to give everyone a little perspective. UVa has only been 2/3 is 1/3 for the last 20 or 30 years. at least well into the 1950s, there were more OOS students at UVa than IS students--mostly from new york/new jersey. it wasn't until the state of virginia pressed UVa to greatly expand (UVa has tripled in size since the 60s) that it switched to a 2/3 1/3 system.</p>