<p>shoe in- hope so!, smugglin-nope.</p>
<p>Good luck with your application. Just give yourself a couple of backups - like JMU. I'm saying this b/c there are 300,000 more high school seniors this year than there were 10 years ago. Everyone needs a contingency plan. BTW, I'm sure you will do well wherever you go.</p>
<p>I agree: comparing URMs and white/Asian applicants is almost like comparing apples and oranges, but there are always exceptions.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I can see why it is unfair for a white applicant to study just as hard as a black applicant and have only the black applicant get accepted.</p>
<p>and so unfair to the asians!</p>
<p>i hear ya.</p>
<p>yo maden, u went to NYLF 2005?? Gtown?? Yo I went there too. whats ur name, maybe i know u</p>
<p>Based on your info, I think that UVA is a match for you. However, apply to a back-up just in case (JMU possibly). I wouldn't be surprised if I were you to get accepted.</p>
<p>yo sdma, thnx for the opinion, yea i def have backups including, jmu.</p>
<p>thrills, wats up man, yea i went to that, the names mohamud, def been good times.</p>
<p>I can't believe I'm even reading this stuff. </p>
<p>"comparing URMs and Whites/Asians is like comparing apples and oranges."</p>
<p>Are you serious? Did whites and asians get born with extra brain cells? Did URMs fall down the stupid tree when they were born? Are whites/asians superior to URMs intellectually? Thats what everyone is implying when they are for affirmative action the way it is now. If a school wants affirmative action - thats fine - but only if its socio-economic affirmative action. Tell me, why do black kids with 3.3 and 1100 on their sats need a leg up in admissions when they have rich parents? Or why would an asian or white kid who grew up in the projects with 1 parent be at a disadvantage - just because he's not black? It really is a shame that this is whats happening.</p>
<p>Besides, you can be considered a URM if you're 1/8 something...even less for native american. Do you really think someone who is 7/8 white and 1/8 black should get an advantage over someone else who missed out on that 1/8?</p>
<p>If you're going to have a policy as extreme as affirmative action, either do it right or don't do it at all.</p>
<p>P.S. Sorry for hijacking your post maden - This is just a pet peeve of mine.</p>
<p>Mohamud!!!! dude BBQ, this is ashish. I remember ur hooka mofo</p>
<p>"Are you serious? Did whites and asians get born with extra brain cells? Did URMs fall down the stupid tree when they were born? Are whites/asians superior to URMs intellectually? Thats what everyone is implying when they are for affirmative action the way it is now. If a school wants affirmative action - thats fine - but only if its socio-economic affirmative action. Tell me, why do black kids with 3.3 and 1100 on their sats need a leg up in admissions when they have rich parents? Or why would an asian or white kid who grew up in the projects with 1 parent be at a disadvantage - just because he's not black? It really is a shame that this is whats happening."</p>
<p>Hey man, I agree with you for the most part. Socio-economics should be more of a factor than race. Personally, I wasn't brought up by a wealthy family, in fact, I'm probably on the lower-end of the middle class and, if not for the financial aid, would not attend UVA as an out of state student. However, it is not a conicidence that in society today that minorities, particularly blacks and hispanics are still strugglin socio-economically. Yeah, the status of minorities are improving, but I still think socio-economically there is a disparity between minorities and non-minorities.</p>
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Are you serious? Did whites and asians get born with extra brain cells? Did URMs fall down the stupid tree when they were born? Are whites/asians superior to URMs intellectually? Thats what everyone is implying when they are for affirmative action the way it is now. If a school wants affirmative action - thats fine - but only if its socio-economic affirmative action. Tell me, why do black kids with 3.3 and 1100 on their sats need a leg up in admissions when they have rich parents? Or why would an asian or white kid who grew up in the projects with 1 parent be at a disadvantage - just because he's not black? It really is a shame that this is whats happening.
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<p>Sorry for not being entirely clear before, but what I was implying that a disadvantaged applicant should be considered in a different light than an advantaged applicant. I used the examples "URMs" and "whites/Asian", etc. only because it was already in the context of the entire thread--and they are undoubtedly the stereotypical examples of URMs and privledged applicants.</p>
<p>Nowhere did I imply that URMs are intellectually inferior, and I take offense to the fact that you blame me for something I did not explicitly state. If it "seemed" like I was implying something by my previous comment, then I'm completely sorry for not being able to control what other's perceive.</p>
<p>Cavalier, that was an interesting document. Still, what happened to the sources??? I mean I would think something like that would have some documentation...I am not trying to be smart...I am just curious.</p>
<p>I can see where some of you guys are coming from about AA but I don't think that there are droves of unqualified students at UVA. AA is about similarly qualified candidates. What does qualified even mean??? I mean even with AA the campus is still pretty white. That is also true of most of America's colleges and universities lol. Truthfully, I would rather go to a school that had some diversity and "unqualifed individuals" than go to a completely homogenous school.</p>
<p>KRabble, I wasn't attacking you - I just used your quote - and then went on to make a generalization. Didn't mean to offend you.</p>
<p>is the feuding over? bout tyme.</p>
<p>Shaddix-
Diversity is important, but it isn't just about skin color. I go to a public magnet school that has been criticized for not having AA and the admissions policy was recently changed. I definitely think that diversity is great, but I think my school already is really diverse - even if caucasians and asians are by far the largest in numbers. There are so many unique individuals that are not afraid to be different and stand out in a crowd. So many religious beliefs are prevalent and all students of all races and nationalities are very in touch with their cultures. Academic and extracurricular interests are very different among students. My school might not be "diverse", but compared to my middle school, which was "diverse", I think I am getting a much better experience interacting with different types of people. At my middle school, people pretty much interacted with other people like them. At my current school, everyone is friends with everyone, meaning everyone is exposed to these different ideas and beliefs. It is great to have so many passionate, unique people to learn from. I'm not sure how this new admissions policy will affect my school, but I definitely believe that under the current admissions policy, my school is very diverse. Everyone was accepted under merit, which brought together a group of very passionate, intelligent people.</p>
<p>By the way, URMs at my school are very anti-AA for the most part. They say they wouldn't want to walk around and have everyone think that they got in for their skin color. Some of my friends actually list "white" as their race to avoid AA. Somebody I know is hispanic with a very hispanic last name who listed "white" as her race on her PSAT. She was not a national merit semifinalist but was a hispanic national merit semifinalist. She was very offended that she would a race specific award when she didn't receive the award that compared her to the population as a whole (not to mention the fact that they changed what she listed as her race based on her last name).</p>
<p>SoccerGrl, I see your point, but I am not focusing on skin color...I said diveristy which to me includes a vast amount of individuals from all walks of life...whether they are black, white, asian, hispanic, rich, poor, middle class, muslim, christian, buddhist, atheist, spiritual, male or female etc. I also went to a public magnet school about (small- about 600 kids). It was not diverse to me. It was mostly white with a few asians thrown in and a small amount of blacks and hispanics. The people at this school were supposed to be intelligent and the cream of the crop, but were so insular and sheltered in their life. I hated every moment at this school and was so glad when I left. Then high school came around. My high school would be considered "less qualified" compared to my magnet school since there were people who were not academically focused, but there was so much more diversity. I met many people who were motivated and passionate about a number of things such as music, art, sports, writing, debate, math... </p>
<p>* By the way, URMs at my school are very anti-AA for the most part. They say they wouldn't want to walk around and have everyone think that they got in for their skin color. Some of my friends actually list "white" as their race to avoid AA. Somebody I know is hispanic with a very hispanic last name who listed "white" as her race on her PSAT. She was not a national merit semifinalist but was a hispanic national merit semifinalist. She was very offended that she would a race specific award when she didn't receive the award that compared her to the population as a whole (not to mention the fact that they changed what she listed as her race based on her last name). *</p>
<p>I am not going to worry about what other people think of me and whether I "stole" their place. People can believe what they want to believe. The same poeple who scream that I am going to steal their place in college are the same people who are suprised that I don't use ebonics, have taken college level classes, and care about my higher education. It amazes me that someone will generalize a person like that...it is true ignorance...not on my part but theirs. It is so ironic that people talk about personal reponsibility and merit but will scapegoat a minority for taking their place.</p>
<p>shaddix, soccergrl is almost certainly talking about the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology, which may well be the nation's best high school. It's extremely competitive - students need excellent grades and test scores in the 98th and 99th percentile. By many measures, the school is very diverse, but in education, "diversity" is interchangable solely with "URMs." There has been a great deal of discussion at TJHSST about "diversifying" the student body, and the only solution they can come up with seems to be to lower standards for URMs. According to many of the TJ people I know (a few URMs included), this is seen as an attack on the quality of incoming students. Many URMs in the school now got there by having 99th percentile scores, and they feel that letting in others with lower scores simply for the color of their skin would cheapen their accomplishment. Also, there are many other students from various parts of the world who attempt (sometimes unsuccessfully) to get into TJ who have struggled with much, much more in their lives than most of the URMs applying there for admission. I've seen breakdowns of how many students at TJ are first generation american, and it's fairly high. Many of them have roots in countries like Vietnam, a country that presents far more obstacles to overcome than any area in the US.</p>
<p>Cavalier, thanks for clarifying her post. My situation in a magnet school was the opposite of hers. I think my school needed some more diversity, but the admissions for that school went strictly by the numbers(grades, test scores, an even a test for IQ) so it was mostly asian and white. To hear some of the things that would come out of some of those kid's mouths....black people need to go back to Africa, black people don't care about education, all homosexuals are disgusting, blah, blah, blah...still, I realize not all magnet schools are like this.</p>
<p>Still, I can see why some people might be upset since they feel that their accomplishments might be cheapened...</p>