Any New Grads with Uncertain Futures?

I’ll just tell my kids’ war stories for what they are worth. The moral is, I guess, that a little bit of luck is all you need to get some traction, and whenever that luck shows up, even if late, it turns out to be the right time.

Kid #1 (prestige university, English major) got to one week before graduation with no definitive job. She was not depressed. Her ambition at the time was to be a writer, and from lots of talking with other writers she understood that meant a lot of hustling and a lot of menial day jobs. She had lined up a cheap apartment in a hip neighborhood in the city where her college was, and she and her housemate/best friend were going to share it. She was completely confident in her ability to get some retail service job – she had experience of that under her belt – enough to pay the rent and buy food. She understood that we were not going to subsidize her (and the same was true with the friend and her family – her parents barely had enough to live on themselves).

This was not, by the way, a slacker who had avoided facing the future. She was (and is) an inveterate planner. Her modular resume (a different resume for every employer) and cover letters, as well as her history of career-focused internships in college (working for magazines and other publications, as a writer and editor), were being used by her college’s career center as models of what a kid like her should do. It just hadn’t worked yet. This was 2009, and the job market was generally terrible, so maybe there was less shame in not walking out of graduation into a career job with a 401(k).

Out of the blue, she got an offer from Teach For America to do one of her top choices for a day job – teach English in New York City. She had gone through the interview process eight months before and had effectively been waitlisted, which as far as she was concerned meant rejection. A couple of hours of agonizing and talking to her friend convinced her she should take it, and she did. A week later, she had moved across the country and was in training. In the course of the next few years, her interest in writing diminished, and her interest in education policy blossomed. And so a career was born. (At least so far . . . ) She has had a series of good jobs with quality employers and increasing compensation, as well as excellent benefits.

Kid #2 (prestige university, sociology major) had planned to go directly into a PhD program in sociology, but when the dust cleared after visiting he didn’t think enough of either of the programs that had accepted him to commit to them. By then, he had to focus on finishing his senior thesis, so by the time he actually started looking for a job it was very late and he was very distracted by end-of-college stuff. He definitely had more than a little situational depression, and he was nowhere near the systematic job-seeker his sister had been. Tears were shed, more than once. He really wanted to stay where he was (there was a girlfriend involved) rather than move home, and in theory where he was had a more vibrant job market. He had a part-time job that didn’t pay enough to live on and that would not continue into the fall, and an offer of another part-time job in a theater – his other passion – that also wouldn’t pay enough to live on, but could be combined with a regular-hours day job.

We agreed to cover his rent through the end of July (one month beyond what had already been paid for), but if he didn’t have a job by then he had to move home and look there. The last week of July came, and there was no job. We arranged to rent a U-Haul for him to move his stuff home. July 31 was a Saturday. U-Haul started calling us around noon – why hadn’t we (he) picked up the van? We were already calling him. No answer, no call back. He was hiding from us. You can imagine how angry we were!

It turned out that Friday afternoon at 4:45 he got a call (which went to voice mail) from the only employer with an unrejected application outstanding, asking him to call back by 5:00, or first thing Monday morning. He called back just after 5:00, and no one was there. He didn’t want to leave his city before Monday morning, in case they offered him a job. And that’s what happened – he called back at 9:00 Monday morning, and he started work there Tuesday morning. Over the weekend, he had talked to the landlord, who had agreed to let him hold over for up to a week for per-diem rent. (He knew they didn’t have the apartment rented, and were planning to renovate it before renting it out again.) On Monday, he worked things out with U-Haul to get the van the next weekend to move his stuff to a place he could store it for a few weeks.

The job wound up being a bad one, but the kind of bad job one can learn a lot from, about the world and about oneself. He was good at it, he mostly enjoyed it, and it gave him a lot of self-respect. It paid terribly, but along with the part-time theater job (which he took) he earned more than enough to support himself. He wound up getting a terminal masters degree with partial funding at his old university, and then getting an actual professional job in his field with his buffed-up skills, at a pay level that easily amortized his masters debt. I’m still not certain he has an actual long-term career path (he’s working on it), but he has a spouse, a house they own, and a dog, and we aren’t paying for any of it.

I have one who just graduated and I wasn’t worried about her at all. I told her to just finish, graduate, and then look for a job. She had a really busy last semester with working for a prof, a senior project, playing her sport. She needed to take the FE exam and didn’t have time to squeeze that in (taking this summer). She somehow sent out 6 resumes (her resume was a mess so I don’t know who helped her with that), a firm called, interview on a Friday, job offer on Monday. Some people are just lucky I guess.

Other daughter hasn’t even graduated yet and I’m worried. She’s a History major with an okay job record of working in service jobs (fast food, renting bikes and boats, girl scout camp counselor, Disney) but nothing ever pays enough to support herself. She is taking two classes this summer so she can graduate in December. NO job/housing/life prospects. This kid has spent her whole life being lucky, so I hope that holds out. Her biggest problem will be that her student loans will need to be repaid starting almost immediately (she used her grace period on some of them when she took a semester off), she has no car, no start up money.

My wife had coffee with five other moms from our D’s old select soccer team. All the girls are graduating/have graduated.

Two are headed for the Peace Corps.
One is doing Teach For America.
One has a Fulbright and will be teaching English.
One is looking for a job in non-profit management.
That leaves the only one with an actual post-college 9-5 as an accountant.

All six have plans for more college eventually. We are very happy to have been a part of this group.

Reality is that our national economy is not absorbing all these college graduates in a meaningful way. We know many, many kids graduating this year with no jobs. W’s cousin’s boys are both finance grads and working at a grocery store.

That leaves the only one with an actual post-college 9-5 as an accountant.

When my oldest graduated, parents were asking does your child have a job? The only ones who had a job before graduation were the accounting majors.

This is a really good thread. I didn’t have a clear vision when graduating from college in 1983 either, and funny enough I was able to find my way. I think young adults and their parents are helped by being reminded that life is a process, college is one of many possible routes through the process. Most will find their way.

Teach For America and non-profit management are both real jobs, generally more than 9-5. When my daughter was in Teach For America, she had a full teaching load and did all of the work a young teacher would normally do (i.e., lesson plan preparation, grading homework, etc.), which is a lot of work if you are doing everything for the first time. On top of that, she had a whole additional level of supervision at the TFA level – for example, she had one-on-one lesson plan review with a TFA supervisor, which not only took time but generated a lot of additional work – plus she had a mandatory MAT program at night. She was paid a real salary, with real benefits; she was a member of the applicable teacher’s union.

Both my children now work for nonprofit entities. They have professional jobs that require professional credentials, and they are compensated accordingly. The jobs are very competitive to obtain, and people work hard in them. Those jobs are as real as the jobs at any accounting firm.

@my2sunz It sounds from your original post like you weren’t specifically seeking suggestions for your DS, but I’d like to second the suggestions for him to look into WOOF and the national parks. My D just graduated with a horticulture degree and a passion for sustainable agriculture. She found a lot of leads on Indeed, more than I expected her to find, and landed an apprenticeship that suits her very well for now. Pay is low but housing is provided and it bolsters the experience she got in college and previous work. It’s temporary, but in today’s world, that’s not necessarily a bad thing. She’s getting to see and work with her plants in a different part of the country and has hinted she may look for another temporary or seasonal position when this one has run its course so that she can get a wide variety of experiences.

My 1 D always knew she wanted to teach. When she graduated into the worst of the economy, she decided to do middle school special education since nobody wants to teach those kids. She loves, loves, loves her job and has a supportive principal who has helped her get all sorts of grant money for different after school and summer programs. It’s still insanely hard to get a teaching job here, but she received tenure almost two years ago and is the happiest person I know in her job - along with the after school and summer stuff, she is quite well compensated and has benefits better than almost any other employed American.

Other D majored in art history with a nichey minor. She had also been a paid writer since adolescence. The decision came down to staying in the US and choosing another field or moving abroad for her niche. With a foreign graduate school admission and scholarship in hand, she decided to stay in the US and adjust. After grad school, she did a fellowship with NPS and another with AmeriCorps. Immediately got a very nice, well–paying job in her specific field using all of her writing skills. She has the most interesting job - when people ask about it, their faces always light up and they want to know more. She loves the cool factor.

I pray hard for my third child. On paper he looks great. But he lacks the work ethic and drive of his siblings.

Saw this today:
https://www.theladders.com/career-advice/these-are-the-states-with-the-best-and-worst-jobs

My youngest just graduated from college with a nice GPA and no desire to pursue her major. She claims she will never move back home, and I believe it. She is working 3 part time jobs. She can be on our health insurance for four more years. I’m relaxed at this point.

I have many friends/aquaintences whose kids are a year away from graduation. I never got the kind of "wow what a great spot to be in " reaction to having a kid in a tippy top school that I regularly get when mentioning that I have a kid in nursing school. Everyone is worried about uncertain futures pretty much

AMERICORPS - 1) gives you time to do something useful and sort out your path; 2) can change your perspective - while goals are great, sometimes you need to stop and really look at what is around you. It’s really okay, and very healthy, to slow down; and 3) certain programs (NCCC) provide room and board, last 10 months (8-10 person teams of 18-24 year olds) and pay about $6k for student loan repayment.

https://www.nationalservice.gov/programs/americorps

My daughter’s field is project based and requires travel. Her AmeriCorps service allowed her to show willingness to travel and to list completed projects and outcomes on her resume. All in all, it was a completely beneficial experience in every way. There are a lot more AmeriCorps programs than we ever imagined. Some states have very specific programs related to particular fields, so my son will definitely be looking around before he graduates just to see if there is anything that would be a good fit. Some employers also give preference to AmeriCorps or Peace Corps veterans, it’s called the “employers of national service” program.

I read somewhere, sorry can’t cite, that 82% of college grads are living at home. Not sure of the demographics involved since this could include young people who commuted, and possible even adults who went to school while working. I also read a great book entitled the “Boomerang Generation” that was about the international phenomenon of adult or near-adult children living with parents much longer than the previous generation, mainly due to economics.

I sold my house and rents are tough these days. My own mother went into assisted living or I would consider living with her, in my 60’s!!!

I also want to put a plug in for those non-traditional students who may not have finished college quickly but instead work for years while attending at night or part time or online. The low level jobs that support this path can show a kind of work ethic and maturity that it takes a few years to accumulate, and some employers value that quite a bit.

I think Craigslist, Monster etc. etc. are a great way for young people to survey the job market. In my state the Cultural Council also has a job site with many jobs that are related to “culture”, or education in some way.

@lastone03 and @zoosermom thanks for the great info re. Americorps.

For those searching for nonprofit-type jobs or internships, another good resource is https://www.idealist.org

Most college students commute from where they lived before, and many take local jobs after graduating. Even those who went away to residential colleges may return because their job will be there or for other reasons.

So that number does not seem too surprising if it is true.

The military has this one figured out. Our son doesn’t get to worry about his future; the Army is doing that for him (for better or worse).

@my2sunz

D2’s BF has a degree in environmental sustainability. Immediately after college, he attended NOLS and has been offered both full time and seasonal work through NOLS for the past 4 years. He has also taught environmental studies at 2 different private high schools. D2 just finished med school and moved for residency; BF relocated along with her. He wanted out of teaching. He’s found environmental management job openings with outdoor sports equipment manufacturers, with the city government, and with several major ski resorts in the area. BF says Amazon has big sustainability management depts. at all of their shipping locations, as well at their HQ. (Keep this in mind if your Amazon opens its second HQ in the DC area.) The federal agencies (National Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management, National Park Service) hire environmental degree holders–even now grads fresh out of college.

So a few more ideas for your S.

I get the same comment over and over when I mention what my daughter is studying: “Well she won’t have a problem getting a job.”

She’s a nursing major.

This just came out and goes along with the thread. Best college in each state for getting a job. https://www.zippia.com/advice/best-college-state-getting-job-2018/