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On the contrary, I’ve know several people last year who were admitted in the RD round after a deferral. In general, it is better to apply early and be deferred than to apply late.</p>
<p>I think it is important to know if anyone was rejected because it makes the deferral less of a realistic possibility. If everyone from EA who wasn’t accepted was deferred, the likelihood of then being accepted, taking into consideration the additional RD applicants is much less.</p>
<p>From our own personal experience (my D was deferred EA and accepted mid-Feb several years ago) and what I’ve observed over the past few years, there are always a good number of students deferred EA that get accepted during RD. So I wouldn’t be so discouraged, but I would highly recommend deferred applicants to send in 1st semester grades, improved test scores, awards, etc. along with letters confirming your desire to attend. About one week after my D had sent in quite a nice and convincing compilation of these things, she received her acceptance.</p>
<p>Of course, things will likely be a bit different this year with the changes in admissions. My guess is that since they over-admitted last year, they’re probably being more conservative during EA and will admit more during RD and the wait list. Michigan’s reluctance to flat-out reject applicants doesn’t mean much when it comes down to who they ultimately accept from the deferrals. If you have a good gpa with honors & AP courses, test scores, activities, etc., I don’t think you should be discouraged with a deferral…it just means they want to either see a bit more from you (either showing interest or academic improvement) or they want to see your application against the others they get from RD. And if they have accepted fewer during EA this year, that only means there will be more acceptances during RD.</p>
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<p>So? How does knowing if 1 or 1,000 EA applicants were rejected affect your chances? Without going off on a long rant about statistics and probability, what you need to remember is that admissions decisions aren’t random. They’re based on applicants meeting certain levels of various criteria. In theory, Michigan ranks it’s applicants in order and then admits the number it needs to fill a class (I realize that’s not the way it actually works but Michigan - and every other school - strives to admit the best candidates in their applicant pool).</p>
<p>Let’s pretend Michigan had EA last year. In round numbers Michigan had 30,000 applications last year and admitted 15,000. If during the EA round they rejected 10,000 applicants how would your chances have changed if you were ranked 15,001? Short answer: Your chances didn’t change at all, you’re still rejected. It doesn’t matter how many are in line behind you only how many are ahead.</p>
<p>Those accepted during EA are the candidates who would have been accepted regardless of when they applied. Those rejected are the candidates who never would have been accepted. The only unfairness of not rejecting more is that it gives false hope to those who don’t realistically have a chance if even a few thousand more well qualified applications come in during the RD round.</p>
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<p>That statement implies that all “Deferreds” are created equal and will be treated as such. The reality is probably far different. At most schools EA is the round where only the most qualified are accepted. So a school might arbitrarily set a bar at their 75th%-tile level for GPA and Test scores - e.g., anyone with a 3.75 and at least a 31 ACT gets offered admission during EA. Conversely, a school will know that over the last X number of years they’ve never offered admission to anyone with a 2.5 GPA and/or ACT lower than 22 - that group would be rejected. Everyone else would be deferred, but that group will have 3.6/30s and 3.0/25s. To my thinking, the 3.6/30 has a much better chance of acceptance than the 3.0/25. It’s not how many fish are in the pool, it’s how big a fish you are relative to everyone else.</p>
<p>I know this girl with a 3.3 weighted GPA, barely passed NYS regents Math A exam, failed chemistry (has to retake this year) and has a 21 ACT…she’s from a white wealthy suburb, and the only extracurricular she does is dance, and she’s not <em>that</em> good.</p>
<p>She was deferred. I highly doubt they’re rejecting this year.</p>
<p>What makes this year different from last year? Michigan has a defacto EA process in Early Response. They have to change it to EA as there is no ER in Common Application.</p>
<p>If you followed how decisions went this year you would know that it’s nothing like last year. They let all decisions out on one weekend and they had WAY more applications and a WAY lower admit rate. It’s like a pseudo ER but really completely different. And again, I don’t trust the “friend got outright rejected” for a half second. Unless you post a link to a picture of the email that you probably haven’t even seen I don’t buy it.</p>
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The only thing they changed this year is to eliminate rolling in the EA round. You can say that they improved their process based on ER experience from the past two years.</p>
<p>They did have more early round application this year. “WAY lower admit rate” is your speculation. Nobody knows the ER admit rate last year or the EA admit rate this year.</p>
<p>Fact is I know several people rejected from the ER round last year.</p>
<p>Look at it logically. What is the incentive for deferring everyone not admitted in the early round?</p>
<p>Every deferred case will need to be brought up for committee review at some point during the regular round. Why would Michigan admissions make busy work for themselves by keeping all the clear rejects and deferring them to the regular round?</p>
<p>It is peculiar they no one at all actually said they were rejected. It was always a “friend”. On other posts for other schools - people have said they were rejected - so I don’t think it is something that no one in the world anonomously will admit.</p>
<p>for those of you who have posted that they know of acceptances after EA deferrals, please re-read my post…I didn’t say that there were no acceptances at all on CC; </p>
<p>I stated that AROUND HERE meaning from our NJ public HS…therefore, students HERE are instructed to consider a deferral a rejection and move on…</p>
<p>The records I refer to are kept locally…naviance and such…with reference to additional information sent…</p>
<p>my guidance counselor said that she had talked to a um rep who told her that the admissions process is different this year. the rep said that while in previous years, very few ea deferrals were admitted, that is going to be different this year. the rep also said that they were many students who would have made the ea cut in previous years, but did not this year. she also explicitly said that not a small number of deferees will be accepted regular action THIS year.</p>
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Idk man but that’s what they did.</p>
<p>incentive to defer: to make it seem that many people have a chance at getting in to umich, thus increasing # of apps next year.</p>
<p>it’s what washU does. they defer a LOT of people, accept a few, and reject a few. i think the strategy behind this is that deferred people will think that it’s “easy” to get into washu since they almost got in, and will tell friends/siblings/whatever.</p>
<p>but whos to say that umich didnt put a bunch of deffered apps who stand no chance in the reject pile? maybe they wont look at some of the deffered apps a second time.</p>
<p>PS i’m just trying to make sense of what umich did. i’m just speculating ^</p>
<p>if that is the case, it’s just a horrible thing to do for the applicants. people dont know whether they are most likely going to be rejected, borderline, or most likely going to be accepted.</p>
<p>someone on the decision thread actually posted that they were rejected - not their friend or their daughter’s boyfriend - so I guess there are some proven rejections</p>
<p>Lets be honest: people (applicants) have a very high level of interest in these forums and threads when they are getting ready to apply, when they apply, and while they are waiting for a decision. If the decision is rejected, there is probably a good chance that your interest in this University of Michigan forum drops like a rock. I think that is why you don’t see alot of “I was rejected” posts…they are out there, but the posters are in no mood to be posting on a forum where everybody else is still in the running. Historically, UM has deferred a load of applicants, and rejections in the EA phase were typically to those who were not really in the ballpark to start with.</p>
<p>^You see it on just about every other school’s forum. And the rejection post was a transfer app. Still exactly ZERO confirmed rejections for EA.</p>
<p>^I agree</p>
<p>Other schools def have posts of rejection on college confidential</p>
<p>eziamm & edwinh,</p>
<p>If you don’t want to accept my cases that’s clearly you prerogative, I just find it amusing that my anonymous and unsubstantiated report would be trumped by an equally anonymous and unsubstantiated post by someone who had been rejected.</p>
<p>ipoppills, how is being deferred a “horrible” thing to do to applicants? When you apply EA you have the chance but not the guarantee of having an admissions answer in December; from the few statistics I’ve seen you have a much higher probability of being deferred and hearing on April 1. EA is a way for a school to admit candidates that they would accept regardless of when they applied. At every EA school there are numerous applicants who are deferred and then judged against the larger regular decision pool, how is that “horrible”? As a deferral you still have a chance to submit additional information that can tip the results in your favor, I just don’t see how is it worse to get a rejection letter in March than December?</p>
<p>FWIW, in the last week I’ve heard of two more rejections as well as an acceptance from the “deferreds”. Of course, from what I can tell they didn’t post their results on CC so obviously none of these events actually happened. Believe it or not, the world does not revolve around these forums.</p>
<p>^K so were they all deferred in the first place? Because then it would still be 0 EA rejections.
Btw no need to be condescending.</p>