Any Skiers Out There??

<p>We're gearing up for Ds admission year. She's a junior, 3.9ish, all honors, a couple of APs. Very strong in orchestra and talented in art. No SATs yet. Not sure what she wants to major in but does know she wants to ski. Has been a varsity racer since freshman year.
I have no idea on how to advise her. We don't know what schools she should look at but I think East Coast is preferred. We don't know how to let schools know she is interested in them. Do we send old race results? Visit the coach over the winter? Get HS coach to do something??
This is our 2nd go-round but S was a completely different animal - no sports, no music, just academics.</p>

<p>We need some advice, help, suggestions. Anybody??</p>

<p>Check out the University of Colorado,Boulder -- good school, great college town near some of the greatest skiing on the planet, and alma mater of the legendary skier/football player Jeremy Bloom.</p>

<p>woody, check with soozievt. Her D is a varsity ski racer at Brown. I'm not sure how big a factor it was in her college search but Susan may have some suggestions for you.</p>

<p>Check with Golfingmom, too.</p>

<p>University of Vermont (UVM) has a great ski program. Any school in VT or NH, and many in ME should also be terrific.</p>

<p>Your d should show her interest in the same way that anyone shows interest in a school: visit, interview, go to info sessions in your area, e-mail the coach, ask questions.</p>

<p>University of British Columbia - near the world renowed Whistler Blackcomb Ski Resort. The 2010 Winter Olympics will be at Vancouver-Whistler.</p>

<p>Travis Mayer of Cornell beat Jeremy Bloom in moguls, winning an Olympic silver medal so it is possible to combine excellence in any sport even if it is not featured at the school (other recent Olympic medalists at Cornell include a swimmer and hockey players). </p>

<p>I wouldn't go to Cornell to ski, but Dartmouth, the reigning NCAA skiing champion and third the year before, has a terrific program and is easily the best school within an hour of great skiing. If her boards turn out well, she might consider it. The school has its own skiway and lots of students ski, including five All-Americans last year.</p>

<p>We had to find a ski school for my S - he didn't care really east or west so it was challenging because even California (UCSB) is big on skiing and skiing was his number 1 criteria. For the east, I'd stick with schools in Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire or I think the drive gets pretty long. I don't have the background to know what they do in New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island or even Maryland in terms of where they ski or how far they travel to ski. (My son desired less than an hour snowy roads and believe me we timed the drive (on dry pavement) for every school we visited). There's a nice variety of schools in NH, VT and Maine, from the Dartmouth/Middlebury genre to the more self directed Bennington-type to schools wtih pretty low key academics, literally something for everyone in those 3 little states. I'm a huge Mid/Darmouth fan and my arty friends went to Bennington but it's far more difficult to get in than when we were younguns. Bates, Bowdoin, Colby are all possibilities. Keene State looks kind of interesting especially for art, but I don't know how academically challenging it is for the bright kids and it's abit of a drive to decent skiing. My S's roommate is a snowboarder from Virginia..and they have resorts there, too, although I've never done the research. I did like Colorado College very much, not east, but a neat school, but couldn't get my S interested 'cause the drive to skiing was just too long for him. My S's good friend is in Boulder and that's always a decent choice for a ski freak, but a large state school (too big for my S). I would say if your D "orders" her priorities, it will become clear which schools will hit her hot spot.</p>

<p>No offense to the well meaning folks on this thread, but I don't think woody's kid is going to be on U of Colorado-Boulder or UVM's ski teams any time soon and I don't even have to know that much about his D to say that. If he is even asking about colleges for ski racing, his D is not in UVM and UC-Boulder's league. Those are two of the top NCAA Div. I Alpine Ski teams in the country. There is no way my own kid would be on it either, just saying. Already ,Woody, said his D is on a "varsity ski team." I take it she doesn't attend an elite ski academy. HIGHLY doubtful any kid not in an academy and not racing in events like Junior Olympics and such is going to be looking to ski for UVM or Boulder. If she is tops in the country or region and attending an elite ski academy, different story. She wouldn't be in orchestra either....ski academies don't have that usually. </p>

<p>OK.....so back to reality....</p>

<p>Woody, indeed I do have a D who is a ski racer and has been her entire life (as was my other kid who eventually gave it up to put all her eggs in one basket....musical theater). I have been around ski racing since my kids could walk, no joke. Like your D, my older one cared VERY much about continuing with ski racing in college (even though she also did other things like your D....she was a varsity soccer player, varsity tennis player, band, jazz band, dance, musical theater, two instruments, etc.). But many colleges have her other EC interests but not all colleges have ski racing. Ski racing is her passion and she wasn't about to give it up. So, one of her college criteria (among others) was to find a college with an alpine ski team. She also wanted the East Coast (not including the South). When added to her all other college criteria (including architecture major), this narrowed schools down quite a bit but that was helpful actually. She didn't want to be picky to such a degree to knock out otherwise good schools and so she was willing to accept either a club ski team (races against other colleges on the club level) or varsity ski team. To limit it to only varsity teams, along with her other criteria, was too narrow for her. She really cared about other things too such as challenge level/selectivity of the college (was a top student), size, setting, location, her major (which not every school has), availability of her other EC interests and so on .</p>

<p>She could not ski for most NCAA Div. I teams except I am pretty sure she could have skiied for a school like Harvard but she didn't want to apply to Harvard as it didn't have her major. But the best NCAA Div. I teams are "no way"....schools like UVM, UNH, Dartmouth, Middlebury. As you likely know ,those teams will be filled with recruited top racers, all from ski academies, all who are tops in USSA ski racing levels. I gather your D goes to a public high school with a ski team? You mentioned "varsity" and that term would not be used at a ski academy. Has she raced in USSA races? My D raced on the USSA circuit her whole life and did pretty well in our state but once she reached J2 level, everyone else left competing was pretty much attending ski academies and she did not want to attend a ski academy for high school, nor could we have ever afforded it anyway. So, she kept racing in a USSA weekend program and raced on the J1 and J2 USSA circuit against these academy racers anyway, but our high school also had a ski team and so she was in both and did very well on that circuit and they would compete in regional and state championships for high school skiing, which is what I imagine your D is doing. Does she also race on the USSA circuit? What region? My D also has had to race on one of the hardest divisions growing up....Northern VT....a hotbed of top ski talent. </p>

<p>So, she was not a recruited athlete. She applied to 8 colleges, and two had varsity ski teams in Division I on the USCSA circuit which is not the same as the NCAA Div. I circuit (quite confusing, I know) and her other 6 colleges had club ski teams. For the schools with club teams, she contacted the captains and met with each of them on our college visits to learn more about the team and if she'd like it (anyone could be on it). So, she knew she could continue racing. The club circuit has some very good racers but it also has some racers who are just hobby type racers. But there would be some competition for her near the top and it was just fine. I don't know which sorts of schools your D likes but the club team schools she applied to were: Yale, Princeton, Penn, Tufts, Conn College, and Lehigh. </p>

<p>The two colleges with varsity teams were Brown and Smith. At those schools, she tried contacting the coaches and sent her required stats and a recommendation from her ski coach and that sort of thing. At Smith, the coach was happy to meet up with her (GREAT guy), as were the soccer coaches and tennis coaches. The ski coach even had the team gather to meet her. Again, the coach had not recruited my D but my D contacted him , as she contacted professors or anyone else at a school. They were great there. At Brown, the coach at the time (who actually left the school the summer before my D matriculated) was not so great. She never returned any emails, snail mails, or phone messages where my D asked if she could meet up with her on a campus visit. My D had no inkling of any possibility if she could ever ski for them if accepted, whereas at Smith, she could tell that if Smith accepted her, the coach would have let her ski for him. My D would not want to attend Brown if she could not ski as it is a varsity team and so there were no guarantees if she'd race. There were calls to the athletic director and so forth about just trying to get any sort of contact so she had any inkling if she could remotely ski there if the school ever accepted her....in other words, to find out if she was good enough to ski for them, but she wasn't recruited and never would be. No contact with that coach until those over her had to get her to respond....this was many months later. My D had tried to contact her again since she never got to meet her on the visit to campus because my D saw that there was a USCSA race that both Brown and Smith (who are in the same division) were going to be at in our state and my D was thinking of driving to it to see these two teams and coaches. The Smith coach was gung ho and even arranged for my D to be the forerunner for the race which was great so that the Brown coach and Smith coaches would at least see her do a race run and she also got to meet the girls on the teams (she is outgoing and went out of her way to introduce herself). The Brown coach was very odd as she said she could not talk to my D at all according to rules but this was after my D had aleady applied to Brown and was Feb. of her senior year! I don't think that was the rule and surely the Smith coach talked with her when she showed up that day at the race. </p>

<p>My D got into most of her colleges including Brown and Smith. The Smith girls were writing congrats cards hoping she would choose them (very enticing). Meanwhile, my D loved Brown and it was one of her first choice schools but what held her back was that if she had no way to know if she could ski for them and if she could not, she did not want to go there when she could keep ski racing at all her other schools.</p>

<p>So, we went to the accepted student event in April of senior year to help decide which school to attend. But my D kept trying to contact the ski coach at Brown to see if she could ski there if she attended. With intervention at the top, we finally got through to her for my D to meet with her at the campus open house for accepted students. I mean my D was already admitted and still didn't know and this affected her decision. The athletic director understood that frustration of lack of contact. So, we go to Providence and my D is hosted by students like all the other accepted students and I am in a hotel. Her meeting is first thing in the morning with the ski coach. My D rings me at the hotel. An hour before the meeting, the ski coach says she can't meet unless D brings her transcript. This is utterly ridiculous.....she was already accepted to Brown!!!! We are already in Providence! First we heard of this. By total chance, back home in Vermont where we live, she had an extra copy of her transcript and our HS was closed for school vacation. My husband, who did not go on this trip, had luckily not yet left for work 50 miles from home where his office is and received D's emergency call for a transcript and got it in her room and faxed it to the coach at Brown, minutes before D walked in her door. Imagine....had he left for work, no go. I see my D at the end of the two day event beaming....her dreams had come true...she loved the school so much and then when she found out she could ski on their VARSITY team (even better to her than a club team which she would have done at other schools happily though), she was "I'm going here!!!" I had forgotten about this until now because that ski coach was out the door and my D never skied for her but has had the new coach ever since she arrived...but had my husband not been home to get that transcript, who knows if my D would be at Brown now as no ski racing would have been a deal breaker when she had many other wonderful acceptances in hand. I have never heard it handled this way and it was this coach....not the way it really goes (witness the Smith experience). In fact, I think most of the other girls are recruited....and in fact, most are from ski academies. </p>

<p>My D is the rare public school ski racer on the squad. For instance, the two recruits this year are from two ski academies. I wondered how my D would do among these skiers as Brown is in the hardest division in the Easterns in the USCSA. In fact, the top five teams from the East that go to Nationals come out of her region/division every year. Her team has won Easterns and has placed in Nationals during her tenure. My D has been in the top five for her team in GS which is what you have to be to race in Eastern Championships and in Nationals, and so she has raced in these events each year and it has been a dream that she got this far among such top racers as the ones from academies on this circuit. She's done pretty well after all considering she is not an academy racer. And I can tell you that the ski team has been a thrilling aspect of her college experience and one of the most meaningful and memorable aspects. It is a HUGE committment on the Collegiate Varsity level for both semesters. It is a big priority in her life. Other than Nationals, they race in New England and we are able to travel to most of her races every weekend and also to Eastern championships and I've gone to Nationals even out west. Amazingly, every weekend, tons of parents show up from the East coast, almost like high school and every team has amazing potluck lunch spreads provided by all the families. So, we actually get to see our D a bunch in winter and share these races with all the other team families. </p>

<p>So, that is an inkling into the process if not NCAA and if not recruited (my D was not).....but in the end she does race for a top NCSCA ski team and has gotten to race at Nationals for NCSCA. I don't know your D's level. She also may be happy with a club team and there are many. If she is interested in the Brown ski team, feel free to email me and I can put her in touch with my D who is a senior and go from there. Even if not recruited, she likely could ski on the team but if she is not at the higher level, she just likely would not be one of their five GS or five Slalom team racers for Eastern Championships or Nationals but that's OK, as there are like five more girls on the team who race each weekend but don't make those championship events. </p>

<p>I hope this gives you some idea. If I knew more I could help you more specifically.</p>

<p>(by the way, my D spends every weekend with kids from the other teams and the Smith coach still is friendly with my D and in fact, this summer, when my D was in Switzerland on her own, she met up with a girl on the Smith team, which isn't even her own team.....and also a girl from our HS team just entered Smith and I'm sure will be skiing for them)</p>

<p>Other top teams in their Division are Boston College, UMass, Colby-Sawyer, Plymouth State. Considering the little you shared about academics, perhaps she may wish to look at Brown, Smith or Boston College.....all three are tops in this difficult division and all three are fine schools academically.</p>

<p>While others are mentioning schools located near skiing...all good ideas....I thought Woody was asking about ski RACING....different story. Again, Dartmouth, UVM, Middlebury are likely not in her league race-wise.</p>

<p>My freshman D is at CU Boulder - just bought her 5mt ski pass (A-basin, Breck, Keystone and 10 days at Vail and Beaver Creek) for $319 (birthday present). Also a pass for Eldora, the local hill 25 min up the road by (free) bus - $129 (her money). She raced in HS but just for fun; only plans to free ski now. Big school syndrome was a concern but has not been a major issue - she has made lots of friends, has both large and small classes, and seems pretty happy.</p>

<p>A friend of ours has two sons who race. I think both are supposed to be very good. One is on the Dartmouth ski team, which just won the NCAAs . Would have had a good shot at the Olympic team were it not for an injury. The second is skiing for Bates.</p>

<p>My S is a Nordic (uphill) skier and the schools may be slightly different, but most schools have both teams. Below is (I believe) any school with an NCAA team. They vary tremendously. Some are looking for kids who are standing on the podium at JO's - some are interested if you have racing experience. Some schools are looking for well rounded scholars who ski. Some are recruiting from the Jr. World team. Probably most will immediately check your D's FIS points standings.</p>

<p>I would suggest checking out team's website and look at the rooster. It will give you an idea of the team size and where they recruit from. Most have a recruiting questionnaire your D can fill out. When we visited schools my S emailed the coaches before hand and asked for a meeting. Some rolled out the red carpet, some never responded. </p>

<p>Eastern Schools</p>

<p>DARTMOUTH COLLEGE
UNIVERSITY OF VERMONT
MIDDLEBURY COLLEGE
UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE
WILLIAMS COLLEGE
COLBY COLLEGE
BATES COLLEGE
ST LAWRENCE UNIVERSITY
ST MICHAELS COLLEGE
HARVARD UNIVERSITY
BOWDOIN COLLEGE
UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS
BOSTON COLLEGE
COLBY SAWYER COLLEGE
BROWN UNIVERSITY
ST ANSELM COLLEGE
PLYMOUTH STATE COLLEGE </p>

<p>Western Schools</p>

<p>U Alaska-Anchorage
U Alaska-Fairbanks
Whitman
U Idaho
U Utah
Montana State
U Nevada-Reno
U Montana
U Colorado
Western States
U Denver
U British Columbia
U New Mexico</p>

<p>Mid-West Schools</p>

<p>Northern Michigan
Michigan Tech
UW-Green Bay
St. Olaf
Gustavus
Carleton
St. Cloud State
St. Benedict
St. Mary’s
Macalester</p>

<p>And then there's the schools with club teams.........</p>

<p>My dad went to the U of Utah more or less solely for the skiing opportunities (recreational, though) and wasn't disappointed in the least. IMO, Utah truly does have the best snow on earth!</p>

<p>If your d is looking for a "more relaxed" skiing situation, as soozievt mentioned, I'll add University of Rochester to the mix. There is a ski team (I think it's club) but they do race against other local schools. <a href="http://www.sa.rochester.edu/skiteam/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.sa.rochester.edu/skiteam/&lt;/a>
There is also a ski club that sponsors trips to local ski areas, about 40-45 minutes from school.</p>

<p>And it's a great school academically.</p>

<p>I am hoping D will consider WWU, as they not only have a rugby team as one of the parents on the board shared with me- but the winter Olympics will be held in Vancouver in 2010
( she snowboards for fun & loves the Olympics)</p>

<p>Just one thing about skiers-mom's list:</p>

<p>The following schools are not NCAA teams:</p>

<p>UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS
BOSTON COLLEGE
COLBY SAWYER COLLEGE
BROWN UNIVERSITY
ST ANSELM COLLEGE
PLYMOUTH STATE COLLEGE </p>

<p>Those schools are in my D's league which is Division I for the USCSA, not NCAA. As mentioned earlier, the top teams in the East in the USCSA are all in the division (McConnell Division) my kid's school races in....
Brown University
Boston College
UMass
Colby Sawyer
Plymouth State
Smith</p>

<p>There are others like St. Anselm also in this division but I named the top teams already.</p>

<p>Also, in the East, I would not bother with the following (as I mentioned earlier) unless your kid has top notch FIS points (which is less likely if she is not attending a ski academy full time for high school):</p>

<p>DARTMOUTH COLLEGE
UNIVERSITY OF VERMONT
MIDDLEBURY COLLEGE
UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE</p>

<p>Many schools in the East have a club team and off the top of my head, here are some:</p>

<p>Conn College
Tufts
Princeton
Penn
Yale
MIT
Cornell
Syracuse
Penn State
Ithaca
Colgate
Hamilton
Lehigh
Skidmore
Trinity
Boston University
Vassar
Carnegie Mellon
UConn
Union</p>

<p>A smaller school with a good ski team and a great possibility as a safety with good merit money is the University of Denver--a private school in the city/suburbs, lovely campus, about 4500 undergrads.</p>

<p>Sorry, but U of Denver was the number 2 team in the NCAA National Championships last year. I realize people mean well but Woody's child is not in that league...she races varsity for a high school I believe and she/he is asking about colleges for ski racing. I can assure you that anyone who lands on U of Denver's team not only KNOWS colleges for ski racing but is being recruited, has excellent FIS points, races at the highest levels such as Junior Olympics and what not. </p>

<p>Also, Woody's child wants the East. </p>

<p>My kid, for example, is racing for one of the top teams, particularly in the East in Div. I in the USCSA but could never be on one of the top NCAA alpine teams, of which U of Denver is....#2!</p>

<p>Looking at last year's NCAA National Championship results, I see some girls my D raced against for years in USSA races in Northern Vermont. These girls attended elite ski academies and were tops in the state and were in JO's and all the other top national and Eastern events and winning. That is who skis for teams like UVM, Dartmouth, Middlebury, Denver, etc.</p>

<p>WOW!! Thanks sooo much for the input. We did not know where to start and this has been an eye-opener! D has been skiing since she was 3 - albeit in Southern Vt. She has made it to individual states and team states in CT and placed in top 20 - team was #2. Bowed out of competitive club racing as it was taking away too much from family time - H travelled a lot and we skied for the time together. Friends we introduced to skiing now have kids in academies - since middle school! So, we know about the level of competition, it's just not the way for us.<br>
D would like intercollegiate competition - DI sounds a bit intense. Academics are #1. BTW, Soozievt, architecture is up on the list of majors - our daughters sound quite alike!
Thanks again, everyone and keep'em coming!</p>

<p>OK, Woody, now I have more information. Your D ever race on the USSA circuit? Did she do any of the weekend race programs in Southern VT? Stratton or the like? My D was in the weekend race USSA program since age 6 through another academy, but did not attend a ski academy full time for HS and so as I said, while she stuck with USSA racing and had done well growing up and would make States every year, and so on, it was harder as a J1 and J2 as at that level, the kids who are still on that circuit are mostly attending ski academies full time and so they were training full time every day. She stuck with it but was harder to place as well at that point. But she did high school varsity ski team which in Northern VT is still quite competitive at the top (she was in that top range) as there were others like her who grew up in weekend USSA who chose not to go to full time ski academies. So, like your D, she was in states as an individual and team all through HS and up here in Northern VT, it is highly competitive....a concentration, if you will, of top racers. Based on what you are saying, and I don't really know your D's exact race talents, she likely would be happy and do well in collegiate ski club racing.....because there are those at the upper range on that circuit who also grew up ski racing (just not everyone who races, did). So, she'd still find it competitive at the upper parts of the race group. My D would have been content with it amongst that upper level of club race talent. However, it is higher level in the USCSA Varsity team level (but generally not like NCAA Div.I). Also, certain teams are more competitive...as I said, my D's division ironically includes the top six teams in all of the East in the USCSA and so every weekend she races the top teams that end up being the top five teams that win Eastern Regional Championships for USCSA and go on to the USCSA National Championships (these teams are Brown, Boston College, UMass, Smith, Colby-Sawyer, and Plymouth State). </p>

<p>Like your D, mine cared VERY much about academics and was seeking very selective schools (she had a very good academic profile including perfect GPA and valedictorian and what not). So, she was willing to race on the college club circuit and not be picky whether it was a club or varsity team but just would not give up ski racing entirely at all. That left enough schools......it even helped narrow the many fine schools out there and also the architecture interest narrowed it....and she preferred medium size and near a city too. Admittedly, she is thrilled to actually be skiing for a VARSITY and not club team, however, and a really top one at that, within USCSA. Your D likely could ski for a USCSA Div. I team, but just may not be a contender to make Eastern Championships or Nationals, but who cares. There are some REALLY good racers on this circuit, many who attended ski academies BUT there are public school kids like mine and there are even racers with MUCH less race background (they just don't place highly or don't go on to championships). There are a few girls on my D's team who are not that talented at ski racing or haven't done it at a very significant level but they are in every race. But the team also has girls from academies and those who get All American, etc. The graduating captain was All American, won Easterns last year, and many more honors, places highly in Nationals, etc. She went to Stratton Mtn. Academy (in fact she is teaching there this year as she applies to Med school). On the USCSA circuit....at least in my D's Division (McConnell division which is the top division), the top 25 racers in a race are very good but it starts to fall a bit after that and there are racers who have less background as racers and so forth. Your D could do this type of school team OR a Club team, I think, based on what you shared. She just may not place so highly in the USCSA events or go to Nationals (though I truly have no real idea of that....I mean my kid makes the team from her school each year for Nationals but it is no easy feat as her particular team has depth and is mostly ski academy girls and she is not....but coming from another team might be easier to be one of the top five to make the college's team that skis at Eastern Championships....but then the team itself must make Nationals and I already mentioned the six colleges in the East that are the usual suspects that make Nationals every year for USCSA.....not the same as NCAA). But she could not race for the NCAA teams! Don't bother with Dartmouth, Middlebury, etc.! </p>

<p>So, I told you schools my D applied to and they all had architecture and a ski team that your D could ski on I'm pretty sure. If your D is interested in Brown, let me know and I can put her in touch. </p>

<p>My D only wanted BA schools and not BArch schools....but there are BArch schools with club ski teams such as Penn State, Syracuse, Cornell, or Carnegie Mellon. The schools I told you earlier (the ones my daughter applied to) are all BA in Arch schools. My D is now applying to MArch grad schools (which means bye bye ski team racing :( )</p>