<p>I don’t think applying that late means you CAN’T get in, but in this kid’s case, I think it hurt. First, he’s OOS and that already makes it harder. He does have excellent stats, and applying RIGHT before the deadline might imply to admissions that he’s using UMich as a safety. And the fact is, by that late in the game, they HAVE already given out quite a few spots, so he’s competing with a bigger pool for fewer openings. Early bird gets the worm… and since there is NO penalty for applying EA, it makes no sense that he just procrastinated until the last minute. The comment from OP that he didn’t think it mattered when he applied tells me a lot… he didn’t do his research, he thought he was a shoe-in, and now his ego is bruised.</p>
<p>^^^^Exactly.</p>
<p>The entitlement, narcissism, arrogance and elitism on these boards are just rampant - and believe me, I’m sure I have been guilty too. But a lot of folks want their kid’s pick to be the absolute cut-off line between elite and what is not elite. Wash U makes it but Michigan is just garden-variety, or vice-versa. Cornell is OK but don’t speak of it in the same breath with Harvard, Stanford or Yale. Amherst is great but don’t talk to me about Bowdoin, and for gosh sakes, not Colby or Bates. Oberlin clearly belongs with Carleton, not with sorry old Kenyon. And on and on and on. “Ego bruising” is exactly the right term, and none of us seem able to escape it.</p>
<p>well now we know why you didn’t get accepted. You wrote about gg brown in your essay. No one possibly can have anything good to say about that dungeon</p>
<p>My brother was accepted with 33 ACT, class rank 100+/500, few ECs. Another kid accepted with lesser stats. BOTH APPLIED RD. </p>
<p>EDIT: The other kid was accepted this year. My brother was accepted 2 years ago</p>
<p>Also the reference to the GG Brown Building was in regards to a student project. </p>
<p>I am done dragging this thread on, I appreciate everyone’s input.</p>
<p>RD is fine… buy maybe not RD at the very end of the deadline. I always think it’s funny when posters want to end threads they started because they don’t get the feedback they want. Good luck to you… you certainly have some great schools to choose from!</p>
<p>He did misjudge Michigan’s arrogance. Schools in RD phase don’t generally care about the exact date…thus the definition of deadline. If you meet the deadline you are equal, if you do not then you are not. So yes he is guilty of not understanding how they run things - which is silly since these threads are full of frustrated students who can’t get a decision.</p>
<p>I think he is closing this because their is no answer. If he had posted a “chance me” beforehand everyone would have said he had a 99.99% chance because his stats were 99.99% of Michigan ranges for GPA and SAT. Yes EC’s and other stuff matters but given what people saw they would have said no problem on admission. Then to back it up Harvard takes him so he comes back to ask basically “Am I crazy or should have I gotten in?” Normal reaction. So many have said no you shouldn’t have, no guarantees, others think it is bizarre that he didn’t. So no answer just opinions…probably time to put it to rest.</p>
<p>“He did misjudge Michigan’s arrogance.”</p>
<p>Good point Bigdoglover. Michigan should know its place. It has no right to reject strong students. Michigan has an obligation to accept all candidates!</p>
<p>By the way, Michigan still refers to its admissions policy as “rolling”. I think that should be a dead giveaway.</p>
<p>The theory about applying late in the cycle was just that, a theory. No one knows if that had any role to play or not. Maybe they just liked his brother better.</p>
<p>And I guess no one can explain why Cornell or Dartmouth would be wildly different…he must be in 99.99% range there also.</p>
<p>Arrogance? With 55,000 apps I’m sure Michigan admissions officers have plenty of time to exercise arrogance and make an example out of this one kid. And what would that example be???</p>
<p>No just those that can get into Harvard…</p>
<p>Roll your admissions all you want, the obligation is if you set a deadline and it is met that candidate should be evaluated same as others. These threads are full with people saying they applied last few days and got in. By most accounts here they should have been rejected for being arrogant in waiting and not showing proper interest.</p>
<p>finalchild do you just visit boards you have no tie to to be a jerk…or some other reason.</p>
<p>The arrogance comes in all over these boards for people not getting decisions, not this one kid. Rolling at most places means you apply and actually get a decision.</p>
<p>Bigdog, I forgot that I’m supposed to check in with you before I post. How do you know what ties I do and do not have? Maybe we’re aggressively pursuing the waitlist. Maybe I enjoy posting. Why were you still on the WUSTL board after your D already committed to UMich which you oddly are bashing? How exactly was UMich admissions arrogant? Why no quarrel with Cornell or Dartmouth since OOS to Michigan, UNC, etc is just as difficult?</p>
<p>D didn’t commit just yet so I go on boards where she was accepted and help her figure it out. I “bash” Michigan admissions as you say because it appears to be very poorly run. My D applied EA thank god but that doesn’t mean I can’t comment on how I think they handle things poorly.</p>
<p>Of course you can post where you want - just wish it wasn’t in response to mine. As for just as difficult - no - here is where statistics do come in. Michigan OOS acceptance is still going to come in at 20-25% - Dartmouth overall will be what 10-12%, Cornell 15%? Carolina OOS maybe 12-15%, so no, not the same at all. Just stats but they work in this case because this isn’t one of the classic rankings debates - its just numbers to get in. Dartmouth takes 1 in 10, Michigan maybe 2.5 of 10 (oos)…big difference.</p>
<p>I don’t understand the deadline debate. What is the point of imposing a deadline, if your going to look down on kids who barely meet it as opposed to kids who easily meet it? If you submit before the deadline, no matter when you submit, the playing field should be leveled. After the deadline has passed then rolling admissions go into effect, at which point earlier submissions take precedence.</p>
<p>Bigdog…too bad two fellow baystaters can’t get along…</p>
<p>Sorry, but when schools like Colgate and Colby aren’t considered “good enough” then I think we are all doomed.</p>
<p>And, if you have a very high end pool of applicants, then 20% maybe just as prohibitive as 10%, if you are one of the 8 out of 10 that do not get in. When you get into that game, where do you draw the line? At Cornell’s 15% or Harvard’s 5.6%?</p>
<p>allcapella, that was just a theory. But there could be an indirect impact. When you get to the 12th or 15th app or whatever, a lot of kids have trouble carrying their effort through the finish line. That was definitely true for my kid. Kids are in the conundrum of applying to too many to do a great, individualized job on all of them (at the same time that they have extraordinary demands in at least the first half of their senior year) but feeling they must to increase the odds of getting into the type of school they or their parents want them to go to. There is also a lot of focus here on stats and “on-paper” profile when we all know that there are no guarantees.</p>
<p>Every school is “good enough” just as a top business degree is as good as a top liberal arts degree - all in ones interests.</p>
<p>You can spin but these schools ALL get quality applicants so a statement of fact is that Dartmouth is harder to get into than Michigan. I mean its just a fact. Does that mean their isn’t a person out there who got rejected at Michigan but in Dartmouth - No, I’m sure their is</p>
<p>^^^^Agreed. But when a kid gets into a HYPSM, what % of those scores a clean sweep? BTW, this kid was not the only extremely high stats kid that didn’t get into UMich. I saw a bunch of them…certainly significantly above my kid.</p>
<p>And agreed about your other point. MY point (and I won’t belabor here) was that it doesn’t make sense to say a business school is superior to a non-business school for business (and in that case I think it was actually engineering vs. no engineering).</p>
<p>Bigdolover, I do not think there is a big difference between 10% and 20% admission rate. Since when is anything less than 30% considered a target or safety, even for the best of students? Michigan isn’t exactly located in a popular spot, or known for being affordable or generous. OOS applicants who apply to Michigan are generally highly qualified and serious. With an OOS acceptance rate likely to drop to 20% this year, Michigan should definitely be treated as a reach by any OOS applicant.</p>
<p>And Michigan is not arrogant. Not the most organized perhaps, but not arrogant. The University never promised to respond before "early April, and it did responded to the vast majority of applicants by April 5. The problem is that many students assumed that Michigan would be a safety, or that simply because it has rolling admissions, that they would hear back quickly.</p>