<p>A animal spend months in his mothers belly. It born. The mother feed it. People feed it. It feed itself. It grow up. It come big. It come strong. Then they kill it. Why? To feed us.</p>
<p>I agree that meat tastes good. But there are healthier, cruelty-free options. Imitation meat tastes delicious, and there is less saturated fat. Many products also have lots of protein, as well.</p>
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I think raising genetically modified soybean in a field where the remains of there dead parents are with animal dung and being force fed retreated water and leaving in cramp conditions and keeping them alive in horrible climates even when they'll naturally die, isn't that unnatural? But, I don't know it could be just me. </p>
<p>I had to comment on this, you guys are getting way to condescending.And you're group was polarizing way too much for comfort. Pretty soon you'll start saying being a Vegan prevents cancer, and eating meat causes AIDs! Come on, it's unnatural. Why? We're naturally omnivores. That's why we have canine teeth. Do you know why squirrels don't hunt down and kill birds? Because they're naturally herbivores and they've adjusted to their diet. Look at other omnivores. Have you seen bears swear off eating any critters because they felt bad for killing it? I haven't, have you? When you feed your pets do you make sure that it's meat free? No beef favored dog food for scruffy only yummy delicious vegetables! Maybe instead of feeding the polar bears meat in the zoo we throw cucumbers at them! So we can't prevent innocent deaths there! </p>
<p>Now you've cited sources saying imitation meat tastes good, and they have low fat...You know why you don't hear any bad news about them? For some reason it's taboo in our society to criticizes vegans because they want to help the fuzzy little critters, although it really hasn't impacted the meat market at all. So why be vegan? " Of course you'll retort and say you're preventing the death of the fuzzy little critters. But, don't you think population growth and new markets is already preventing the deaths to go down? But, you think you prevent the death of the fuzzy little creatures because you don't need to eat them. If they was true, then stores wouldn't have to throw out expired meat...right?</p>
<p>It would only be unnatural to be vegetarian if were impossible to do so, health-wise. It's not. In this day and age there's really no reason to eat meat because we can get by perfectly without it. Besides, Americans get too much meat anyway. Meat isn't a commodity almost everywhere else in the world, anyway. Besides, when animals eat meat, they do so in a natural setting. We don't do it in a natural setting! There's hardly anything natural about factory farms. </p>
<p>And vegetarianism/veganism DOES severely limit the risk of cancer. There's been loads of research on this. </p>
<p>Many vegetarians/vegans are activists too, for animals and the environment. They do OTHER things to prevent the mistreatment of nature. Sure, one person deciding to forego meat will not end the meat industry, but it's their personal choice if they just don't want to eat it. Some people just don't find dead flesh appetizing. Besides, it IS a very good example of gesture politics. Which has accomplished MUCH.</p>
<p>"And vegetarianism/veganism DOES severely limit the risk of cancer. There's been loads of research on this. " </p>
<p>I doubt they proved causation but more likely correlation. Something the media FAILS to tell us. Just because vegan ism correlates to less risk of cancer doesn't mean that being a vegan will lower your risk. Is it possible that vegans will generally exercise more then the massive amount of obese meat eaters? </p>
<p>"It's not. In this day and age there's really no reason to eat meat because we can get by perfectly without it" - Yes but it's all for seperate sources. You have to eat different types of vegetables before creating a complete protein. While eating meat in moderation would be more efficient. </p>
<p>"There's hardly anything natural about factory farms. " - How natural do you think farms are now? Sure you can go organic but even then it's humans have selectively bred them since humans began farming. A natural setting would be just finding plants growing naturally in their natural environment, but we don't. Potatoes are grown in Idaho even though they're only naturally found in Peru. How natural is that? </p>
<p>"Many vegetarians/vegans are activists too, for animals and the environment. They do OTHER things to prevent the mistreatment of nature. Sure, one person deciding to forego meat will not end the meat industry, but it's their personal choice if they just don't want to eat it. Some people just don't find dead flesh appetizing. Besides, it IS a very good example of gesture politics. Which has accomplished MUCH." - Of course and meat eats are just backers of petroleum and industry! Pfft....there's plenty of environmentalist that aren't vegans and in PETA and such. While your rationale for being a vegan will probably cause you to be an environmentalist and animal activist. But still people chose to affiliate themselves in the group individuals without resorting to being vegan. In reality you can protest against fur coats, and still eat meat. There will be the many who call you a hypocrite but if you it doesn't contradict your rationale, why does it matter? And of course, the Clean Air and Water Act, the Endangered Species act, et al. were only brought up by vegans. Yet, there are just enough of them in congress to get that done. Congrats.</p>
<p>Some people are vegetarians for the simple reason they don't like meat, not that they want to build every animal a nice house with a pension.</p>
<p>^ haha. I really do like animals, but I wouldn't go that far.</p>
<p>Alright...if that's why...fine.. :P</p>
<p>Raising genetically modified food may be unnatural, however I don't believe plants have feelings or emotions, while I believe animals do. Hence I don't believe eating plants hurts anyone, but eating animals does. About 80% of the world's soy is eaten by farm animals, which are then fed to human beings. So eating the animals would be even more unnatural than eating the plant itself, I guess. </p>
<p>Taboo in our society to criticize vegans/vegetarians? Are you kidding me? I can't bring up my veganism without getting a lecture, or made fun of. And no I wasn't promoting my way of life. I don't like people lecturing me, so I don't lecture them, but there's instances in which it comes up. People love to jump on how horrible being a vegan is. Some vegan parents raised a malnourished child and he died, the news just couldn't let go of the fact they were vegan, like vegan parents are unfit. How many omni parents starve and abuse their children? But their diets are never mentioned. And also this board. I came here to talk with other vegetarians, but instead get comments that my diet is unnatural.</p>
<p>Eating meat in moderation would be more efficient for what? One doesn't have to combine veggies at a certain meal. I can eat a vegetable one day and my body stores the amino acids, then when I eat something else that would complete it, my body can combine it with what was stored. So much goes into feeding animals its much more efficient if we cut out the middle man and ate the vegetables ourselves. </p>
<p>I believe this day in age, whether proven or not, the hormones that they're pumping animals with affects human beings in the form of cancer and disease. Is it the only cause of it? Absolutely not. Can animals pumped with hormones be avoided? Yeah, sure. But its not what most Americans are eating.</p>
<p>I don't think people should be worshiping cows. I'm not even asking everyone to stop eating meat. I just think it should be done in less cruel ways, it would at least be a start.</p>
<p>And no, I wouldn't eat eggs from a chicken I was raising. Not because I thought it was cruel, just because I'm used to not eating them, and I never really cared for them in the first place. I used to rarely eat eggs, only when they were mixed with other ingredients.</p>
<p>^ That story about the vegan parents upset me, too. I was discussing that the other day with my family, and they didn't understand.</p>
<p>Becoming a vegetarian, which would be very difficult for me, would not even be an option until college anyway. Most of the meals my parents cook are meat, and we dont have enough spare money to buy a separate meal for me each night.</p>
<p>I am, and I've been one my whole life.</p>
<p>ive been one almost my whole life</p>
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Taboo in our society to criticize vegans/vegetarians? Are you kidding me? I can't bring up my veganism without getting a lecture, or made fun of. And no I wasn't promoting my way of life. I don't like people lecturing me, so I don't lecture them, but there's instances in which it comes up. People love to jump on how horrible being a vegan is.
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EXACTLY.
I even mention being a vegan and people jump all over me for trying to "convert" them. yet there's nothing wrong with waving their meat in my face and talking about how tasty dead animals are.
I don't have a problem discussing vegetarianism with people, but it seems impossible to do it without an argument starting. I can't eat my non-meat food quietly by myself without being accused of attempting to convert people.</p>
<p>^^^i agree...but i couldnt live without meat...i love animals but they r so delicious</p>