<p>manavk exactly my point. Although Penn State is better then both Babson and Bentley for business (by a wide margin) I want to concentrate on the points of why Bentley will surpass Babson. It is being realized that Bentley has the potential to do well and deserves another glance. How has Babson accomplished that? and pelase don't argue that the SAT scores or some other factor are higher or better. </p>
<p>How do the scales tip in Babson's favor? it has higher SAT scores... (bring up a real arguement besides that or it is smaller because you know that most schools ahead of Babson are state schools)</p>
<p>I think the scales would tip in Bentley's favor because it is a larger school, more technologically advanced, gives far less work, the school is on the rise (unlike Babson) and the overall college experience is better. Oh yeah the graduates do just as well if not better then Babson's graduates.</p>
<p>I'm going to a better business program then Babson and it just so happens to be larger, has a bunch of kids, less internationals but why is it still better? Maybe because someone who posted before has the most ridiculous reasoning possible that smaller, more internationals and more work means better rankings and success.</p>
<p>Are Babson graduates doing that much better then Bentley graduates?.... NO and there are many Betley grads doing better then Babson grads.</p>
<p>One thing that will hurt Babson is its workload that causes gpa's to drop to extremely low levels. That will hurt Babson graduates when aplying for graduate school. Babson can say that oh the challenging curriculum is better and others are aware of it but the bottom line is I don't care where you go to school a low gpa WILL NOT help you in getting into grad school. Babson is not even nearly that great to the point where the gpa will be overlooked.</p>
<p>Hollaratmecollege yes I must agree your posts have no sense to them and you fail to bring up a real arguement.</p>
<p>"Oh yeah the graduates do just as well if not better then Babson's graduates."</p>
<p>Prove it... That adds to another one of your stupid you try to pass off as facts. I think Bentley is a great school, but nationally it is almost unheard of. In the business world there is no doubt that Babson is much more well known. Everyone knows Babson as an entrepreneurship school, and because of that it has some sort of a national reputation. I live in Portland Oregon, and if you said Bentley most business people have never heard of it. Babson on the other hand, is pretty well known within the business community here. Plus Babson has a 97% job placement rate (within the first six months of graudation). That says that recruiters are impresssed with Babson grads and the school must be pretty well known to place nearly all of their students. I am wiling to be that Penn. State, UMD, and Bentley can't touch that number.</p>
<p>scagneas: You brought up a good point that a business school will not dictate your future. Business is one of those fields in which its personal characteristics that propel you just as much as knowledge. Ive talked to a number of managers, and they all say that they don't even really consider where they went to college, as long as they did. Thats different for recruiters, but ten years post graduation people will not care where you went to college all that much. </p>
<p>Oh... one last thing. I guarantee that people will a Babson diploma will look much more impressive than a Penn. State or UMD dipoloma. Why? Because they are state schools. State schools are good, but in general, because of the sheer volume of graduates/students, they don't look impressive. In other words, UMD and Penn State graduates are just one of the thousands of graduates each year, most of whom are average students. So even if you are a brilliant person, your overall reputation as a graduate of a school, rides on the overall opinion of the school. </p>
<p>Dunkaroo: One of the reasons I chose Babson was becuase of the lack of parties... Partying isn't the only fun thing to do in college. I bet I will have just as much fun as you, except I will have fun in different ways than you.</p>
<p>finally romo1, thanks for bucking hollaratmecollege's trend and responding with an intelligent post. you make complete sense.</p>
<p>i did have a question though: in general, yes, a UMD diploma may not be regarded as highly as a babson diploma immediately after graduation. you even said yourself that after 10 years no one will care. even so, wouldn't several different honors citations, and a graduation within the top 2 - 3% of the class make up for it?</p>
<p>basically what im saying is, a naturally smart person doesn't need to go to an expensive school to succeed. they can and will succeed out of anywhere, given they have the ability. thanks for understanding my point, and i must admit that 97% job placement is really good. for UMD business school honors program students (as i will soon be), its 98.3%. in general UMD's placement may be worse but a student in special programs is just as equipped for success as a babson or wharton student.</p>
<p>once again, thanks for making sense. hollaratmecollege seems to have a problem with comprehending logic.</p>
<p>I'm not sure what a naturally smart person is... but I think that a driven person can excell, in the long run, graduating from any school. The UMD honors program is great, especially if you can graduate with virtually no debt. One of the biggest mistakes that people make is to get into more than 100K in debt. My friend's sister graduated from Duke with the full 160K debt! Thats incredible. She currently devotes half of her paycheck every month to her college debt. For the next ten years (the length of time on the loan) the debt is going to buckle her down. People think that graduating from Wharton guarantees an 100K salary.... dream on. If you want to be and get placed as an IBanker or a Consultant than yes you will make nearly 100K the first year, but other than that most jobs are probably in the 40-65K range. Example: First year accoutants only make about 35-50K per year, yes even out of Wharton. In that case any debt over 60K debt is huge! </p>
<p>One advantage of yours (scagneas) is that through the honors program you will be able to stand out. Being at the top of your class will earn you a lot of respect from professors and from recruiters. While a Wharton student of the same caliber doesn't look as good, they would just look like an average student. As a student in the top of your class you will find that the UMD network will work to get you just as good of a job as a Wharton graduate, if not better. Turning down Wharton would be hard, but I think that years down the line you will be very happy with your decision. </p>
<p>Just a word of advice, from a fellow student, grades and graduating at the top of your class isn't your only opportunity to ensure a good job after graduation. Sometimes being very active in your community and in business-related extracurricular activities will work to your advantage just as well as grades will. Not only will you build a network of contacts, but you will be offered more jobs. A buddy of mine is a national officer for Phi Beta Lambda (Greek for Future Business Leader) and he is currently working for Build-A-Bear. He told me that at every interview he has taken they never asked him what his school activities were, but what business experience he had outside of school. Through PBL he has already had a number of internships and a job offer upon graduation through this company. The funny thing is... his grades aren't even that hot. Hovering around a 3.0, he still manages to impress business people through his practical business experience and leadership abilities; those tend to be the things that set you apart, not a 3.8 gpa compared to a 3.6.</p>
<p>yeah Romo you do make sense. Partying isn't the only fun activity for college kids as some enjoy it and some don't. It's just that I bet if I asked most college aged kids what they like to do on a weekend night the answer is probably party or something along those lines. You just so happen to be in the different group but that is fine too. </p>
<p>I see your point about national reputation although national reputation does not measure success. It measures how others view your credentials on a braoder spectrum. In every case it is the person who makes it to a level of success the school is only the public marker but as we know what the public thinks doesn't always turn out to be the right prediction.</p>
<p>Hollaratmecollege if you could actually analyze information you would realize that Penn State is ranked higher then both Babson and Bentley. Babson is 29 and Penn State is at #20 along with University of Maryland, Michigan State and I think one more school.</p>
<p>lol...hollar and manavk7 do you guys like aruging this much... just drop it. US news rankings don't seem to mean that much anyways... they aren't all that accurate. They judge the best business schools basically by what deans and senior faculty think of a business school. Like I highly doubt MIT has a better business school than Stern. Besides, we shouldn't be rank monkeys anyways.</p>
<p>yes we all know that the business rankings are extremely subjective and aren't all that accurate. Instead of using raw numbers and specific criteria the business rankings go by the opinions of deans and faculty at accredited business schools. Yes 9 spots may not be a wide margin but it is significant enough to the point where Penn State will be higher for at least the next year and probably longer.</p>
<p>If we look at trends Babson was ranked #32 last year and this year it is at #29. You must see the subjectivity right away in that so many schools are tied with the same score. For example, Bentley is at a 3.0 tied with I believe 3 or 4 other schools meanwhile GW and BU are at a 3.1 and the difference in rank is 9 spots. Same thing with Penn State we are tied with 3 other schools for the same score.</p>
<p>This arguement really is childish and we all should just forget it.</p>