<p>How does the AP Calc situation work? i know alot of people go in there with AP credits with either ab or bc or multi var.
i am taking AB this year and anticipating a 5. and i am an engineering/applied math major. Do people go straight to upper level calc for retake Calculus all over again?</p>
<p>“AB Calculus 4 or 5: earns credit for Math 0090.”</p>
<p>So you’d place out of Calc I (and there’s little reason to retake it) and choose between Math 0100, 0170, and 0190. The former is a basic Calc II course, the middle one is a more advanced version, and the latter is primarily for engineers and physics majors (and thus perhaps the one you’d be most interested in). You wouldn’t want to take a course at a higher level unless you’re sure you know everything covered by those courses.</p>
<p>ok, i go to a small public school. and ab is the highest they offer. even though my major is engineering and such, the latter i feel may be too much for me, especially first semester. Well when is it usually taken? and do the students going into it usually take bc or multi var</p>
<p>Everyone is different and there is no “normal” path, since some people explore the curriculum more than others, but generally, people take these courses as freshmen. Those who have BC calculus but either want an easy grade or who aren’t certain they fully understand all topics tend to take 100 or 170 again, but most of them who continue math take one of the multivariable courses, like 18, 20, or 35. My understanding (and anyone should feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is that the major difference between 10 and 19 is that 19 focuses on applications of the calculus, not that it’s more difficult. 17, however, is more challenging than 10. I think Engineering recommends, if not requires, Math 19 and 20, however, as well as applied math courses. That might be worth looking into.</p>
<p>ok thank you very much this has been very helpful. and i am looking more into the pplied stuff so ithink thats what i wanna do. i think first semester is what i will end up taking it in anyway.
and do you know anything about the physics department as well. im in physics B, non calc based and im anticipating a 3. i think the lowest level physics would prob be best then since ive never taken calc based right?</p>
<p>This year’s pdf file on Engineering says that students whose calculus background is not particularly strong can consider Math 100 followed by 200, though their preferred sequence is 190 followed by 200. Chances are, you won’t know which one is better for sure until you shop them.</p>
<p>Physics 30 and 40 don’t use any calculus, while 50 and 60 do. 70 is a more intense intro course (typically followed by 160). If you’re planning to take physics, I’d talk to the placement advisor when you get to Brown. The course description for 50 and 60 seems to imply that that level is intended for science concentrators without the background to take 70.</p>
<p>You’d probably want to consider which tracks you’d be interested, since some (all?) of them have a “core” that you’d typically need to start on fairly early. This may shape what courses you’d shop in the fall.</p>
<p>I never took calc-based physics, but I had a stronger math background, and I did well in Physics 70 (even though it took about 15 hours a week and a lot of stress). However, most engineering students I think take Engineering 30 and 40, which is equivalent to Physics 50/60 (and can be used for pretty much the exact same purposes).</p>
<p>And for math, it probably doesn’t really matter which track you choose. I’d recommend shopping 10, 17 and 19, and choosing the class that has the best professor (i.e. you can understand them and feel like you can learn from them).</p>
<p>wow thank you guys very much. this is all very helpful. i will definitely get a jump start. but i dont want to be overloaded first semester. just getting acclimated to college life is gonna be hard enough. but i also want to definitely get a jump start and not be waisting my time/money.
as of right now im leaning towards the math 19 and maybe the engineering courses but i will def do some more research.
do you know any current engineering or applied math students?</p>
<p>you could speak to advisers who’ve helped previous students who’ve undoubtedly been through the same questions. better still would be to contact seniors from your school who’ve gone to brown (assuming the same level of mathematical competence at the end of HS).</p>
<p>Engineering students are not going to take any credit from their Physics APs and will start at EN0030. You’re going to have a very difficult time concentrating in engineering if you don’t take EN3 and calc II your first semester. I highly recommend taking MA19 if you’re expecting a 5 on Calc AB.</p>
<p>I do not recommend engineering if you don’t think you can get a 5 on physics B while having the math skills for a 5 on Calc AB. The Physics B exam is challenging, but not so challenging that you should be getting a 3 when engineering is your interest, unless your teacher is really bad and few people in your class get 5s or 4s.</p>
<p>@srrinath: Umm do you know how i would be able to contact the advisors, or is that a situation i take care of at a later date? i go to a new high school that was just formed in 2003 when 2 very small schools combined. I am the first to be accepted to Brown since then and i think the last was in 2000 when the schools were separate.</p>
<p>@modest melody yeah that is the case. i do have a very bad teacher however i do have to give him the benefit of the doubt. it is a brand new class this year and the calc ab class has had the same teacher for 10 years so they are in different situations. half the class gets 5s and and he everyone else usually gets 4s and like two 3s.
I may be selling myself a little bit short. I was assuming the worst. i dont see a 5 but i think a 4 is a attainable.</p>
<p>I started the year thinking I’d get a 3 in physics (also from LI, skipped regents physics which was not typical in my school) and I ended the year easily getting a 5 on the AP Physics B without studying.</p>
<p>I didn’t mean to be insulting, and by the same token, you shouldn’t sell yourself short yet.</p>
<p>@ modestmelody ahha, well i have my midterm monday. lets see how that goes before i start making any radical conclusions.
and no offense taken.
where on LI are you from?</p>
<p>North Bellmore.</p>
<p>yeah im all the way out east in manorville. 10 min west of riverhead.</p>
<p>I have a related question:</p>
<p>I have a 5 in AP Calc BC, and I’ve studied some math by myself, and I’m pretty sure that I can start with MA 101 or 111. Obviously there is no set “track” at Brown, but is it common for some first year students to start in 100 level courses? Thanks.</p>
<p>The general track for an advanced student for you would be: </p>
<p>Math 18/35 (Calc III)
Math 52/54 (Linear Algebra)</p>
<p>These can be done in either order, and won’t refer to each other pretty much at all. Generally Calc III is done before LA, but it really doesn’t matter.</p>
<p>Math 35/54 are very proof oriented and in my opinion, Math 54 is pretty intense (just took it last semester), but fun. Most of these classes will have freshman/soph, although I think there may have been a few older people who were just curious about math and trying it out late in their career.</p>
<p>You can definitely take MA 101/111 if you’d like. Just so you know, mocha says Calc III is a prereq for MA101, but banner will still let you register even if you haven’t taken it (because there’s no way to get credit for Calc III on your transcript that I know of, even if you take it in high school). </p>
<p>I know a few freshman planning on taking MA101. It wouldn’t be unusual. Since it’s offered in the spring, a few advanced kids that have taken Calc III in school take MA54 in the fall and then 101 in the spring. I don’t know too much about 111.</p>
<p>What is your HS math experience? If you haven’t taken any calc past BC, 35 will be a good challenge. However, if you’ve somehow managed to squeeze LA/CalcIII and have a very solid foundation with proofs (this will be necessary for 1000 lvl classes), I don’t see why you couldn’t hop into the 1000s.</p>
<p>Oh, for anyone not current on Brown’s numbering style: we “used to” start with classes 0-99 (so math 35 was honors multivariable calculus) and upper division classes started in the 100s (so math 101/111 are considered upper division courses). However, on banner they added a 0 (ostensibly so they could have more course variety), so what was math 35 is on banner math 350. Yet everyone still calls it math 35. I know the CS department and a few others still hold fast to the old system (so it’s ALWAYS CS17 on any CS page), but other departments/teachers (such as anthropology) it’s typical to call things by their banner number, so anthropology 200 is an introductory course. Just so you don’t get confused when people take about classes that you can’t find on banner.</p>
<p>Be warned: if you’re taking a math course, shop all sections that fit your schedule. A lot of professors (or grad students, whoever is teaching) have specific styles that will cater to only some individuals. For example, I took Math 18 this semester with a professor who was a genuinely nice person but lectured in a way I couldn’t understand. Sometimes no one professor will suit you better than any other although it’s still worth looking around.</p>
<p>i was just told on them previous page to take math 19, but if you suggest 18 to someone who took BC (i took AB) it is going to be extremely difficult for me, especially with ENG030</p>