Ap

<p>Hi all-</p>

<p>Background: Homeschooled DD Junior Year, 2240 SAT 220 PSAT 2 dual credits courses this year, and 2 next year.
I regret I am late on the AP research---wondering is she should be taking a couple of AP tests. How important are AP for admissions (really just money) She won't be applying to elite schools. Hillsdale is her first choice most likely.</p>

<p>She could probably take the American History and American Govt or English Lang, or English Lit AP test in the Spring. I realize I can't list the classes as AP on her transcript but my understanding is that she can take the test and if she gets a 4 or 5 it will count. I just don't know how important it is...</p>

<p>Any help is appreciated.</p>

<p>My homeschooled DD is a freshman, so I can’t offer any real insight as to how important AP courses or AP scores may be in the admissions process. DD is currently taking AP courses through Pennsylvania Homeschoolers. I know that when we toured UF, the admissions counselor told us that AP, IB, and DE were all equally rigorous in their estimation. My friend and her son toured Duke, however, and the information they were given implied differently. They were told that the university would look to see if the applicant pursued the most rigorous course options available to him.</p>

<p>As I understand it, your DD can certainly register for, and take, an AP exam through your local school regardless of whether she took an official AP course or not. Get in touch with the school to discover the registration deadline so you don’t miss out. The credit awarded varies by school. </p>

<p>Those are some fantastic test scores - congrats to both you and your DD!</p>

<p>OP,</p>

<p>My son took one AP class but 6 AP exams. It would be fine for your DD to take the tests without the class.</p>

<p>None of my kids took any AP classes or exams. We chose for them to take community college classes instead and this worked just fine for the colleges my children applied to.</p>

<p>It is my understanding that AP scores are used for college credit, not so much for admissions. Instead, many colleges require SAT subject tests. AP tests are another way of demonstrating subject mastery.</p>

<p>I am a homeschooled senior. I took 7 APs self study and got 5s on all of them. It can definitely be done. It is not too late to do one or two in the Spring. Just buy study guides, go through them, and do lots of practice tests! Call a local high school and arrange to take the exams there. (Yes, US Gov is a good one to start with, but US History would be hard to do in one semester.)</p>

<p>Actually, you can list the courses as AP on her transcript. I did. Just assign a grade based on her score.</p>

<p>APs probably aren’t necessary for admission to Hillsdale. They would certainly be helpful for merit scholarships, though. However, with a 2240, your daughter could definitely apply to some elite schools if she wanted to. At top schools, APs are pretty important. Subject tests are good too, but you won’t get any credit.</p>

<p>@politistudent… as far as I know, you cannot list a course as “AP” simply because the student took the AP exam. In order for a course to be designated AP, the syllabus and curriculum must be approved by the College Board. It is not ethical to list a class as AP without having it audited and approved.</p>

<p>[AP</a> Course Audit - FAQ](<a href=“College Board - SAT, AP, College Search and Admission Tools”>Course Audit FAQ – AP Central | College Board)</p>

<p>“The AP designation may only be applied to courses offered at or above the 9th grade level which have received authorization through the annual AP Course Audit process.”</p>

<p>just put Advanced before each subject unless its math.</p>

<p>If math put Calculus with AP Calc AB Exam etc.</p>

<p>You dont need AP Classes, just self study them. Thinkwell has some great courses under 200$ and Sonlight has some unex*****ve ap level classes</p>

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<p>Congratulations @Politistudent. You are a super star! Did you find that you needed the full course work? Did you follow a syllabus? How did you prepare for essay writing? Finally, which APs did you take?
Thanks for your help!</p>

<p>@hs2015mom-- I’m sorry, I think I didn’t phrase myself well in my earlier post. I completely agree that AP classes demonstrate course rigor, and AP scores can give credit to a curriculum. However, I’ve spoken with admissions counselors, and many/most say that they also like to see SAT subject test scores as much as possible. Just something to keep in mind.</p>

<p>From our family’s experience, I would encourage all high school students in 9th grade to consider taking accredited AP classes in 10-12th grades. We have successfully used a variety of accredited online classes and have been very happy with the experience (PM me for specific names/sources). However, for students without the opportunity to take the AP classes, taking the AP exams can be a good way to demonstrate proficiency. Just keep in mind that many institutions require Subject Tests as well (though Hillsdale, I believe, does not), so if it’s a choice between one or the other in terms of study time, the required tests should take precedence.</p>

<p>Congratulations on the excellent scores! As far as the AP classes/scores, another advantage of taking AP tests is that some universities base the order of course enrollment and dorm choices on how many credits a student has. For example, an incoming freshman who has 21 credits from AP courses/dual enrollment will get to sign up for classes and dorm choice before an incoming freshman with 3 AP credits. This is very helpful at schools with limited dorms and the biggie - dorms with air conditioning! :slight_smile: It also gives students first choice on courses taught by the professors with better reputations. As for where to take online AP courses, we have had EXCELLENT experiences with PA Homeschoolers online AP courses. (I have no affiliation with them, other than my kids took several courses through them.) Their AP Chemistry was ESPECIALLY amazing! The teacher was phenomenal! He not only prepped the kids for the AP exam but also the Chemistry Subject Test. I highly recommend them!!! Some of their courses fill up quickly, so if you decide this might be an avenue you want to pursue, I recommend you register shortly after they open registration.</p>

<p>Thanks @davenmame i had no idea. Did your son take chemistry subject AND AP? If so, why is that beneficial? Thank you again.!</p>

<p>Isaelijohjac, Yes, my son took the course AP Chemistry through PA Homeschoolers. He took the subject test first (I believe he took the one in May. There are several dates you can choose from for this test; he just took the one that fit our schedule best) and then a few weeks later he took the AP exam. The AP exam is only offered on 1 date - no choices. That being said, if there is a conflict say with another AP exam offered at the same time, you can get an alternate test and test date, but that can be hard to find a testing center </p>

<p>There are several reasons we felt our son should have both the AP score as well as a subject score. One of the biggest reasons to have the subject test score is that some colleges/universities require it. Typically the more competitive the university, the more likely they are to require it - it has nothing to do with whether or not you are homeschooled. They require it from ALL students. Often these schools like to see one subject score in math and one in science. Some schools might even require a 3rd subject score. There are a few schools (unfortunately I can’t remember which ones) that recommend the subject test score only from their homeschooled applicants. So, if you are thinking you want to apply to a competitive school, I would recommend you check their admissions site to see whether or not they require subject tests to apply. I recommended for my son, that he spend a lot of time searching the application of THE MOST competitive school he might even REMOTELY consider. Our high school course selection was based on THAT school’s requirements. I would rather him have more than he needs for applications and perhaps decide not to apply there, than have him decide to apply there later and then it be too late to get the necessary requirements to complete the application.</p>

<p>Another reason I wanted him to have the subject test scores was to offer some more validity to his grades. I think admissions officers and scholarship committees still have some difficulties in determining whether or not the grades were biased from dear ole mom. This can give confirmation to the grades. </p>

<p>Like the subject tests, taking the AP exam can have several different benefits than the subject tests. First, the fact that you can get college credits for high scores. The number of credits varies from subject to subject; school to school; and even major to major. Again, I suggested to my son that he look at various schools to see what there requirements are in order to obtain AP credits. You can simply google the school(s) you might be interested and add to your search AP credit transfer and it should take you right to the page that shows this info. Often it’s in a chart-form. Again, the number of credits going into your freshman year at some schools (not all) has perks such as first choice in professors and dorms.</p>

<p>Another benefit to taking AP exams is helping to show that you took the most rigorous curriculum possible. This is particularly helpful to scholarship committees. With your daughter’s high scores, she certainly would be in consideration of many scholarships. The AP scores would validate the homeschooling issue (if it’s even an issue where she’s applying - some places it is not an issue).</p>

<p>Last, I just want to let you know that while I HIGHLY recommend PA Homeschoolers (I must be their biggest fan! :slight_smile: ) financially it can be expensive. In order to keep our costs down, I had our son take courses that I knew he couldn’t learn himself or that I could help him with through PA Homeschoolers. For some other courses though, such as AP US History, Human Geography, and Psychology, I submitted my own plans through collegeboard to get approval. This way you can definitely label them as AP. He signed up to take the exams at local schools just like he did through the online courses and received his score as anyone else would. This has a financial advantage, HOWEVER, it also means we have fewer teachers to ask for letters of recommendation. His online teachers are very willing to write letters and I was surprised that even though the classes are online, the teachers he had through PA Homeschoolers did an excellent and thorough job in this area as well. In your daughters case, she can also include her teachers from dual enrollment courses. </p>

<p>I hope this helps! Best wishes as you approach your daughter’s senior year!</p>

<p>@davenmame thanks for your thoughtful response. It was very helpful.</p>