<p>Why would that not add up?</p>
<p>Penn Class of 2011
Total Applicants 22,646
Total Admitted 3,637 (16.1%)
Total Enrolled **2,417<a href="66.5%">/B</a>
Early Decision Applicants 4,001
Total Admitted In December **1,178<a href="29.4%">/B</a>
Total Deferred In December 1,476 (37%)
Deferred Applicants Admitted In April 202 (14%) </p>
<p>Do the math with a plug figure for ED yield.</p>
<p>I believe that Penn has 48% of its class coming from ED and I think that the number is fairly consistent with Penn's previous numbers. It's not that unusual to take a high amount of the total student population from ED--I think that Princeton took 46-48% of its class from ED before it dropped ED this year.</p>
<p>kowloon: actually i believe class of 08 is the peak for college admissions. baby boomers... :(</p>
<p>As I understand it, 2008 is the peak year for 18-year-olds counted by the U.S. census. However, that "peak" does not take account of current/future immigration, or applications from foreign residents. I think many colleges project further increases in applications.</p>
<p>And, re: ED. Most ED schools seem to fill somewhere between 33% and 50% of their classes from ED. Princeton and Penn had been towards the top of that range for a long time.</p>
<p>Northwestern fills only 25% of its class from ED. That's why I was surprised</p>
<p>^edit: more like 28%, not 25%.</p>
<p>the bragging news of H, P and UVA about their phenomenal increase in apps is starting to get on my nerves. Ok, so they'll be able to reject even more people. Wow, Fun!</p>
<p>Here's my FAQ about demographics: </p>
<p>Population trends in the United States are not the only issue influencing the competitiveness of college admission here. The children already born show us what the expected number of high school students are in various years, but the number of high school students in the United States, which is expected to begin declining in a few years, isn't the whole story. </p>
<p>First of all, if more students who begin high school go on to college, there will be more applicants to college even with a declining number of high school students. And that is the trend in the United States and worldwide. </p>
<p>Second, colleges in the United States accept applications from all over the world, so it is quite possible that demographic trends in the United States will not be the main influence on how many students apply to college. The cohorts of high-school-age students are still increasing in size in some countries (NOT most of Europe). </p>
<p>Third, even if the number of applicants to colleges overall stays the same, or even declines, the number of applicants to the most competitive colleges may still increase. The trend around the world is a "flight to quality" of students trying to get into the best college they can in increasing numbers, and increasing their consensus about which colleges to put at the top of their application lists. I do not expect college admission to be any easier for my youngest child than for my oldest child, even though she is part of a smaller birth cohort in the United States.</p>
<p>JHS - I don't feel that the reduction of ED was meant to be an App ploy, but more of a decrease in the 'gaming' of the system.</p>
<p>I think EA has no flaws, and only benefits the student, so I don't understand the dislike of that plan. I think ED is good too, but I understand the flaws.</p>
<p>At UCLA, where they have historically (for at least the past 10 years in a row) received more freshmen applications for admission than any other school and where the freshmen admission rate is 23%, they are trying to INCREASE the applicant pool.</p>
<p>The</a> Daily Bruin - UC tries to increase applicant pool</p>
<p>I understand that this will come up against some opposition (it has to be the same for all UCs--and both UC Berkeley and UC San Diego have said they are opposed to the proposal--although UCSD said they might accept it with some revisions). </p>
<p>As stated in the article--this would likely increase the eligible freshmen applications by 10,000 at UCLA--which in UCLA's case would increase the numbers from 60,000 or so to 70,000 applicants. </p>
<p>Maybe they are worried that San Diego State is going to start getting more freshmen applications than them (LOL).</p>
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Applications to selective colleges and universities are reaching new heights this year, promising another season of high rejection rates and dashed hopes for many more students.
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<p>some stats from the article:
Harvard 19%
Chicago 18%
Amherst 17%
Northwestern 14%
Dartmouth 10%</p>
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Officials said the trend was a result of demographics, aggressive recruiting, the ease of online applications and more students applying to ever more colleges as a safety net. The swelling population of 18-year-olds is not supposed to peak until 2009, when the largest group of high school seniors in the nations history, 3.2 million, are to graduate.
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The application figures suggested that the end of early admissions did not hurt.
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<p>much more</p>
<p>so basically this all equals...lower admissions rates. NIIICE. YES.</p>
<p>Can we turn back time and have our children in a different year? :(</p>
<p>I'm guessing the surge is at least partly due to the FA policy change. I know of at least one 12th grader whose family looked at how much they'd be paying for Harvard under the new guidelines, and told the student he should apply, since it would be such a bargain if he got in.</p>
<p>What is interesting to me is that UVA is getting some very good public exposure by the constant mentioning of its name in the same line as H and Y. I never thought of UVA being in the same peer group as H and Y. I do not even think UVA is in the same peer group as the lower ivies or NU, Duke, Gtown, Chicago, etc. I find to be in the same peer group as Vandy, Emory, UNC, Michigan.</p>
<p>Cornell University:</p>
<p>"32,655 as of Jan. 14 -- want to come to Cornell. That is 7.5 percent more than last year, and a whopping 57 percent increase since 2004"</p>
<p>It sounds like people are applying to a lot more schools.</p>
<p>Dayton 37%
Ball State 30%
Charleston 20%
Quinnipiac 20%
Harvard 18%
Chicago 18%
Amherst 17%
Northwestern 14%
North Dakota 11%
Dartmouth 10%
Cornell 8%
Brown 7%
Cornell 7%
Middlebury 7%
Princeton 6%
LeMoyne 5%
Virginia 3%</p>
<p>Duke</a> draws record 20K applications - News</p>
<p>when I find last year's applicant # (not reported in this article), I'll calculate a growth rate....</p>
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After a dip in the number of regular decision applicants last year, the Class of 2012 may be the most selective in Duke's history.</p>
<p>The Office of Undergraduate Admissions said it has received 20,250 regular decision applications for the next freshman class. It is the first time the number of applications has surpassed 20,000-the previous record year was 2006, when Duke received 19,387 applications.
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Duke saw large increases in the number of alumni children applicants. The number of applications from international, Hispanic and Asian students also broke previous records. </p>
<p>Additionally, there were significant increases in the number of applicants from Florida, Texas, Virginia, Massachusetts, Michigan and Alabama.</p>
<p>"We've been interested in Texas and Florida-two states that are experiencing growth in the number of 18-year-olds," said Dean of Undergraduate Admissions Christoph Guttentag.
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<p>my bad...errata on the title...5%!</p>
<p>Duke</a> Receives Largest Number of Applications in School History</p>
<p>2011 --> 2012 rate = 5%</p>
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Duke University has received more than 20,250 applications for admission to the class entering this fall -- the largest number in school history. Applicants will be competing for about 1,665 places for first-year students.</p>
<p>Last year 19,206 applications were received, which at that time was the second highest in school history.
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<p>U.Va</a>. Receives Record Number of Applications</p>
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As of Jan. 15, U.Va. had received 18,526 applications, with another 250 in process. The anticipated total of 18,776 will represent a 4 percent increase over last year, when applications increased by more than 12 percent.</p>
<p>The record-setting application total is especially significant as this is the first year since the 1960s that U.Va. has not had a binding early decision program. Previously, the University would already have admitted about 30 percent of its entering class under early decision.
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