<p>I agree, but the chances are small with SCEA. </p>
<p>My point was that I think the chances of “clearing out” are much higher with multiple regular EAs and a rolling safety than with SCEA.</p>
<p>I reread Harvard’s policy and it says you cannot apply EA to another private school (which he is doing!!). The thing is, I doubt Harvard shares lists with this school since its not prestigious lol, and our guidance counselor is new and probably doesn’t know what she’s doing. I wouldn’t turn him in if I thought he could get caught in a different way, but it seems like he’s going to be safe as along as I don’t say anything…</p>
<p>Our GC sent all of the transcripts out at once in October after getting the list. She wouldn’t have been able to police SCEA nor is it her job. It’s out of her control. </p>
<p>For ED she has to execute an agreement so she could be in the loop. </p>
<p>Kathie, you face a moral dilemma. </p>
<p>If your school has an honor code, you’d be obligated to report it. Most people would say to mind your own business. Some would question if your motives were honorable since you clearly presume that you would benefit if your friend was out of the picture. Others would say that you are correct in that presumption and should fight back. </p>
<p>Harvard just expelled a whole bunch of students in a cheating scandal. They might just like someone who won’t keep quiet about cheating. </p>
<p>I’d probably mind my own business. I’d respect you either way.</p>
<p>I just wish there was another way for him to get caught without me having to report him myself. I mean, if I were to report him, what would be the consequences? Would Harvard tell all the Ivies, so that he couldn’t get into any of them? Perhaps I could persuade him to transfer his application to regular decision? I mean at this point, its only two days after the SCEA deadline…</p>
<p>I’ve PMd you. Get the GC or if she’s too dense to know the blowback that Harvard might bring about, get your Principal involved. Harvard won’t take kindly to GCs and schools who are complicit in deceiving them. Blacklisting does occur.</p>
<p>For your friend, if he’s already sent other schools’ EA apps in, if he still wants SCEA Harvard, he can indicate to the other schools that he wishes to modify his status from EA to RD. Then he won’t be violating any agreement he has with Harvard.</p>
<p>If I convinced him to contact Harvard admission and chance his app from SCEA to RD, could he still get in trouble if people found out it was because he applied to other schools EA?</p>
<p>Not only might his application be in jeopardy, but the school’s guidance counselor, who allowed him to apply to multiple schools, might be called on the carpet by Harvard. In addition, all applications from the school might be questioned by Harvard to see if this has happened to anyone else. Not good for the student, the high school and all applicants from that high school.</p>
<p>Yes but wat if i can get him to change is app from scea to rd at this point?</p>
<p>He cannot change from SCEA to RD without a telephone call to Admissions. They are going to want to know why he wants to switch. What plausible reason can he give? Changing his mind because he wants to apply somewhere else early will most likely result in a telephone call from Harvard to the guidance counselor. Then he’s back where it all started. My advice is to just let it go. Harvard rejects 94 out of 100 people; chances are, he will be one of the rejects. And if he is accepted, you can report it after the fact, and Harvard will rescind his acceptance.</p>
<p>So if he gets deferred EA (which is the most probable scenario), then this would not be an issue? What if he is one of the 6 people that gets admitted? Doesn’t seem right…</p>
<p>If he is deferred, then it’s not an issue, as he’s back in the RD pool. You need to just let this go and focus your energies elsewhere. Is it fair? No! But, if he gets caught, or turned in, Harvard will rescind his application: [Harvard</a> College Admissions § Applying: Requirements](<a href=“http://www.admissions.college.harvard.edu/apply/application_process/requirements.html]Harvard”>http://www.admissions.college.harvard.edu/apply/application_process/requirements.html)</p>
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<p>This just isn’t fair for me because I’m from his hs and we’re both applying. What I am saying is that the only way for the above to happen is for him to be caught or turned in. I don’t want to turn him in, I want him to get caught. But it seems like there’s really no way for him to get caught, hence why I feel its necessary to turn him in. I mean, realistically, how is going to get caught unless its by me?</p>
<p>This is all very self serving, very sad actually.</p>
<p>First off, his application has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with your application. Harvard does not pick students based upon ranking; they are not a meritocracy. At my son and daughter’s high school, for example, every year more than 150 students apply to Harvard. In years past, Harvard has accepted anywhere from 8 to 24 students. Some years, Harvard has passed over the Valedictorian and took students ranked 5th, 9th, 17th, 28th, 36th, 50th, 67th and 88th in the class instead of picking the topped ranked students. Is that fair? No, but that’s the way Harvard Admissions works. Harvard picks and chooses whom they want. If they don’t want you, it will NOT BE because of his application, regardless of whether he applied SCEA or RD.</p>
<p>Secondly, successful applicants in the Harvard SCEA pool who are not recruited athletes, legacies, URM’s or developmental cases, generally have high stats, stellar recommendations, thought provoking essays and interesting EC’s. But, they also have something else – a “WOW” factor. A wow-factor really doesn’t come from being a high school president, national athletic event winner, or from perfect SAT scores, although it can happen that way. Wow-factors do include such things as Siemans, Intel etc, but they also can come from having a demonstrated passion, talent and track record in lots of other things: Math, Science, Computer Science, Art, Music, Dance, Theater, Sports, etc. Whatever the area, you just go “Wow, that’s really impressive; not many other 17 to 18 year olds do THAT!” </p>
<p>Very few students have a wow-factor, which is why so many SCEA students get deferred. Truthfully, without even looking at your application or his, both of you have a better chance of being deferred or outright rejected than being accepted SCEA. </p>
<p>So, for the moment, you need to let it go and move on.</p>
<p>Yeah, rethinking this a little I agree with oldfort. Your motives are self serving trying to eliminate the competition, but they are not really honorable. </p>
<p>Suppose that you talked to him, since he’s your “friend”, and let him know that you will turn him in if he doesn’t fix one of the EAs. I’ll bet that he switches the other school to RD and ceases to confide in you. That’s an honorable course of action, which leaves you worse off, but fixes the injustice. </p>
<p>However, if turn him in without having the conversation, just to eliminate your competition, while at the same time, he thinks that you are his friend, then I think you are backstabbing your friend and are being most dishonorable.</p>
<p>is it really possible that school gc doesn’t know this is happening? don’t they also have to submit an scea component, i know my kids’ hs does. parent signs, kid signs, and school gc signs and it isn’t complete until all 3 do…maybe you should speak in general terms with hs college office and ask them to look into it since they will most definitely suffer consequences if this is discovered. re: the kid actually being material competition, above posters are correct, his app is of little bearing on yours.</p>
<p>I think I’m going to have to say something because if I don’t, how else would it be discovered?</p>
<p>Some of this may be false-bravado on the other student’s part. If your high school sends student transcripts and Secondary School Reports (SSR’s) via Naviance, or uses the Common App Electronic Submission Forms, it’s impossible to apply SCEA to more than one SCEA school – and it’s also impossible to apply SCEA to one school and EA to a private school. The only way it is remotely possible to do so is if the guidance counselor sends everything in by paper – and not many schools are still doing that. Click on the video tutorial link for counselor’s: <a href=“https://www.commonapp.org/CommonApp/SchoolFormsFAQ.aspx[/url]”>https://www.commonapp.org/CommonApp/SchoolFormsFAQ.aspx</a></p>
<p>Our school does send in material electronically. You do have a valid point, as this is a person who is EXTREMELY prone to bragging. On second thought, I wouldn’t be suprised if this were an exaggeration. Whatever…</p>
<p>If your school sends material electronically, then it’s impossible. Here, try it yourself: Go to the Common App and try to apply to another school SCEA. The program won’t let you. Ditto with applying SCEA to one school and EA to a private school. The program just will not let you do it.</p>