Architectural Internships?

<p>Hey guys. I want to get into architecture/archeng, and since I already have work experience in a construction company, I was thinking that an architectural internship would look pretty good. You know, with the whole, "we are now looking for passionate folks instead of 100 random EC's" approach of the higher colleges I'll be applying to. And I heard an internship is on the same levels as volunteering. </p>

<p>I'm planning to take the train to the city (Manhattan) and get an internship in a fairly decent firm. Hopefully I can rank up some hours.</p>

<p>Anyone got any tips or advice? What can I expect? I've done design work for a medium sized construction company(my dad's), and have a pretty firm grasp on chief architect 10 and some autoCAD. Plus, I have some good design sense. Anyone know of anywhere I can find some internships? I'll try Monster. </p>

<p>Hope i get some $. Need to buy a damned car. But if not, that's cool.</p>

<p>I doubt if monster has anything. I would try 1) just approaching firms you like, whether they have listings or not, 2) archinect, 3) coroflot, 4) craigslist (yeah, I know, but some decent firms actually post there occasionally...)</p>

<p>Leverage your construction knowledge and AutoCAD skills.</p>

<p>Try Craigslist manhattan--type in internship or intern as the qualifier--good luck. soozie's D had an internship one summer--and has another one this summer. Go fot it.</p>

<p><a href="http://newyork.craigslist.org/search/egr/mnh?query=internship&neighborhood=%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://newyork.craigslist.org/search/egr/mnh?query=internship&neighborhood=&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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Jun- 1 INTERN ARCHITECT (Downtown)</p>

<p>May-31 Full-time Intern needed for Prominent Architectural Firm (Chelsea)</p>

<p>May-31 Jr. Architect (Midtown)</p>

<p>May-31 Small Architecture Firm seeks Intern (TriBeCa)</p>

<p>May-28 intern -Architecture/Construction Mngmnt (Manhattan)</p>

<p>May-23 STUDENT INTERN (Midtown East)</p>

<p>May-21 Entry Level Civil Engineer Jobs Available. Attn Grads!! (Financial District)</p>

<p>May-21 Intern Architect (Flatiron)</p>

<p>May-18 Architectural/Interior Internship (SoHo)</p>

<p>May-17 High-End Interior Design Intern (Upper East Side)</p>

<p>May-16 Mechanical Engineer with focus on Energy</p>

<p>May-11 Paid Fashion Internship Swimwear & Beachwear Learn The Industry! (Midtown West)</p>

<p>May- 9 Intern in Architecture (TriBeCa)</p>

<p>May- 8 Jr. Architect Internship (Greenwich Village)</p>

<p>May- 6 intern -Architecture/Construction Mngmnt (Manhattan)</p>

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<p>When we hire college graduates it is all about the quality of the portfolio and the strength of the interview. Connections don't have a lot to do with it. When we hire high school students for the summer it is often the children of clients or partners, and other people with connections to the firm. We also make most of our offers in March/April while we are recruiting. It may be tough at this point to get a position for the summer, but use al the connections you can think of. If all else fails ask if you can do a non-paid two or three week program to better understand the profession. It may get you a paying position next summer.</p>

<p>rick</p>

<p>Thanks for the responses so far, guys. I took a look at Craigslist. Looks good. I also used archinect. Rick, I really don't need a paid internship, but like you said, I'd like to have a non-paid internship just to get a sense of the job and hang around. I could also squeeze a recommendation letter from the principal, right? I'll look around the sites for more. </p>

<p>BTW.....I assume soozie is suze, the supposedly "true" chancer on CC.</p>

<p>construction,</p>

<p>Hi, I am definitely NOT Suze. She posted as a student here who went to prep school. </p>

<p>I have been on CC for five years and am a parent and have only posted as SoozieVT and I am the person who Cheers was referring to when she wrote "soozie's D".</p>

<p>You are in high school, yes? I think for a high school student, if you want an internship, it is more likely to be either unpaid or with a stipend as you don't yet have the background for a regularly paying job in this field. The objective would be to learn all you can on the job, to observe what architects do, and to learn and apply new skills, and to see if this is the field for you before committing to further studies or to get a sense of direction as you map out your college education. Seek paying jobs outside of this but the internship has another objective.</p>

<p>It is a little late for this summer, in my opinion but see what you can do. Be aware that some advertised internships in the field of architecture are referring to the internships/apprenticeships for those who have their arch degree in hand. It can be confusing in some listings when you see the word "intern" in this field, in my opinion. You want to make sure you are applying for jobs seeking a STUDENT Intern. But a high school student may not be what they mean even then. </p>

<p>When my D was a junior in high school contemplating the field of architecture, she took a year long independent study for credit to learn some arch skills under the supervision of a teacher in the school (basically the Industrial Arts teacher). She also had part of her summer available to undertake an internship to explore the field further and to gain experience. She was in a program unrelated to this in Europe for a month and then had lined up an arch internship for when she got back (summer prior to senior year). The way she secured that internship is she blindly wrote several architects in our rural community. While we live in rural area, there happens to be many architects who live here (their projects are not confined to this area, however). She explained her interest and skills in a letter. Several offered her an opportunity to be an intern, even though they were not seeking interns. She ended up interning in a small office and the architect (a woman architect, by the way, though her husband is also an architect) gave her actual architectural work to do, not busy work. She got a bunch out of this experience and was paid a small stipend. Pay was not her objective. She has done other jobs to get pay. You also could, for instance, intern for an architect during the day, and be a waiter at night to save up money for the car. </p>

<p>Now, she is a rising senior in college in a BA in Architecture program, and will be applying in the fall to grad schools for a MArch degree. She is interning this summer in an arch firm. Even as a college student, these are not that easy to get, particularly if not in a BArch or MArch program. The job she did get was one she applied to blindly without any notice of any internships or openings. She had found an internship online for a firm in NYC (with offices in a few other major US cities) and was applying to that internship but noticed when visiting the website that the firm has an office in Paris. She blindly sent off a letter, in French, and her resume to the office in Paris asking if they would consider an intern. They were interested and asked for her portfolio. She sent it and they hired her and she leaves to go there in about a week. So, some internships, like both of hers in either HS or college, can be obtained by writing blindly without even hearing of an opening. </p>

<p>As well, you have to look for listings online too. But as rick said, often young people get their first break or summer internship through some sort of networking or connection, though that was not the case with my daughter. I notice that is the case for many young people, however. In the case of her summer internship in high school, however, while there was no connection or favor involved, it is a small enough community that the architect knew who my D was, though not very well. In the case of her summer internship in college, it was very blind, and in fact, in another country all together! </p>

<p>You could ask around in your community and who knows architects, etc. or do like my D did at your age and write the ones in the phone book (granted our phone book is quite small in a rural area).</p>

<p>Susan</p>

<p>PS, I don't know that "Suze" was a "true chancer" on CC. Frankly, I am not into the "chances" posts on CC as in many cases, the person asking for chances isn't sharing nearly enough information and the person offering the evaluation is a lay person or even another student, as Suze professed to be. I am a "true chancer" so to speak in that I am a college counselor and evaluate a prospective students' chances at colleges as one facet of my job. :D</p>

<p>soozie, infinite apologies! Simply thought you were someone else. My bad.</p>

<p>I really appreciate the wealth of knowledge you provided me. I've pretty much reasoned that I don't need pay. Like you said, its about the experience you get. </p>

<p>I also figured out that my definition of intern varied with that of most firms. They're looking for out of college students, while I'm kinda just a high-schooler who wants to be there and learn. </p>

<p>I've used some online sources, but based on what you told me, I'll take it that I'll be able to find an internship by just looking through a phone book. :) But I hope I can find one in NYC.</p>

<p>BTW, where is your d going?</p>

<p>Once again, my sincere apologies, and many thanks!</p>

<p>contruction.....I don't know where you live and if you just want an internship in NYC or actually live in Manhattan. But remember, everyone has to start somewhere. Right now, for you, get some experience. Offer to shadow someone even if you can't get an internship. Start small. Start with networking in your own community. I'm not sure the phonebook would be the way to go with a city like Manhattan! When my D chose architects to write in our local town, our town has a population of 1700 and we actually recognized the names of almost every architect in the book. We played no part in any connections for our D but she simply wrote to all the architects whom we have heard of before and we have quite a number of them for a town so small. I'm talking of back when she was 16. </p>

<p>My daughter attends Brown University currently. I don't know if you are interested in a BArch or a BA degree program. Hers is a BA program. She is the student leader for her undergraduate major at Brown.</p>

<p>Which schools are on your list?</p>

<p>at your level, most of the posts for employment do not apply to you...so the best is to get your internship through connections. connections in the architecture world are so important...all my friends got their internships through connections..</p>

<p>my first internship was with my neighbor, who happened to be an architect. the principal that i work for now interviewed me when I was applying to cornell. they happened to be needing an intern so she hired me....i love the internship...they do amazing work and it's a very engaging atmosphere</p>

<p>but anyways, firms that don't need to people typically won't hire anyone..even if the applicants are very good (they might hire them back later on if they really like good students). it really depends on the state of the firm...whether they are in need of help or not. </p>

<p>since you're in NYC and you're not getting paid...see if you can help out at one of those high profile firms in NYC. i know firms like REX are so busy they wouldn't mind having some extra helpers....just show up in person and see if they need help.</p>

<p>What do interns do mostly?- I will be in NYC next year I am thinking that working on getting a non-paying or paying arch. internship for next summer might not be such a bad Idea. Also- how hard is it to say get to be an intern with big names like Steven Holl or Richard Meier- ect. ect? What type of skills are they looking for-- good at CAD/ other programs??</p>

<p>if you're lucky to get an internship first year or second year, they'll probably make you build models, filing, pickup redlines, cleaning closets, site documentation...etc etc</p>

<p>by the time you're a 3rd, 4th, 5th year, usually interns do computer rendering...draft on Autocad, do detailing....grunt work...etc etc</p>

<p>it really depends on your skills....if you really want an internship first or second year, try to learn as many skills as you can, since arch schools expect you to learn a lot of the software yourself (autocad, illustrator, photoshop, etc). learn sketchup too..it's pretty easy</p>

<p>NYC tends to be pretty competitive.....arch students flock there for the summers...</p>

<p>give yourself some self worth and at least expect firms to pay you...it's not very ethical to work unpaid for the whole summer...and this is partly why starting out grads get paid so little</p>

<p>steven holl and richard meier are top name firms many students want to work for...so you need a lot of talent and skills to work there. most starchitect firms pay far less than corporate firms like HOK or SOM....but again...it's nice to have that kind of work experience on your resume</p>

<p>getting a job anywhere as a student will largely depend on your skills, experience...and talent..sometimes. the truth is that any student...1st year or 5th year, lacks a lot of the knowledge required to be a successful architect since arch school only trains you how to design....so you're not very useful in a firm starting out...except for your ability to carry out the work required productively with many skill abilities.</p>

<p>of course there are exceptions</p>

<p>The way to get into those firms for an interview for an internship or job is to know someone who works there--so mine your connections at Cooper. Tell everyone who you want to work for and you will eventually run into someone who knows someone who works there.</p>

<p>Holl teaches at Columbia but all poncy New York architects love Cooper grads.</p>

<p>You might also do a bit of research and find out what 3D program the different offices are using--Rhino or Revit or whatever. The young guns are the ones who have that inuitive feel for the 3D software. Sharpen those skills and see your marketability take off--says me. AutoCAD is also a must have.</p>

<p>Expand your list of hot architects too--so that you don't end up at a big bland firm out of default.</p>

<p>Having AUTOCAD experience is a real plus. You can take AUTOCAD courses at CFA (Consulting for Architects) in Manhattan - week long courses at different levels are offered year round.</p>

<p>i am currently a junior at texas a&m university and here, we have a semester away requirement to fulfill in the 3rd year of study. </p>

<p>this basically means i get a semester off to whether go study abroad or do an internship.</p>

<p>i decided to do an internship for my semester away program in the spring because i want to get a real world perspective of architecture as opposed to academia's therotical b.s. of the profession.</p>

<p>i'm am proficient in autocad, specifically ADT as well as 3-d studio max/viz render, revit and the whole adobe product line.</p>

<p>furthermore, i have work experience as a surveying/planning draftsman at a local civil engineering firm with a letter of reccomendation from the company.</p>

<p>how would you suggest i approach getting an internship?</p>

<p>craigslist manhattan to start and/or contact A&M grads working in good offices. (Ask the alum officer if any grads are working for super cool offices).</p>

<p>hey, I'm meeting with an architect on Monday with whom I would like to intern with this summer. Any tips on what questions to ask/ what to say to get her to accept this proposal? (I'm a high school junior)</p>

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<li><p>Ask for their advice about your portfolio, your school choice, your career goals. This trick works with any professional.</p></li>
<li><p>Convince him/her that you will make a huge positive contribution to the office. The drag about interns is not that they cannot produce work--but that they suck up resources because they cannot produce without considerable training from more experienced staff.</p></li>
</ol>

<p>You have to convince him/her that you are a quick, indpendent learner who won't need much handholding. Your CAD drawings will hopefully do some of that talking for you.</p>

<p>thanks cheers!! It went very well..and I'm officially an intern. It's going to be a great experience.</p>

<p>Mama mia! That's one hot interviewing Italian!</p>

<p>Make sure you are not a drag on their resources. Be willing to do anything--coffee, filing, anything--but keep asking for challenges.</p>

<p>have fun kiddo. I'm really proud of you.</p>

You might wanna try EuropeGiant. I found some ads related to what you’re looking for. Some people from the US use the site as well even though it’s mainly targeting Europe. They have a job and resume secton. Give it a try at http://www.europegiant.com. You may also try Craigslist.