<p>The Chances thread here on CC is very subjective. A person with a 2100 SAT might hear that a school is a reach from some people, but might be told it is a match by others. What I have decided to do is to post the stats of a person who was already accepted into a college, and you have to guess whether he was accepted, rejected, or waitlisted at colleges he applied to.</p>
<p>Here are the stats of a person from my school:</p>
<p>White Male
GPA: 103.8
SAT: 1490 (790 Math, 700 Verbal)
Class Rank: #1 out of about 300 students
EC's: Excellent. President of several school clubs and founder of others.
High School Class of 2004</p>
<p>Schools:
American University
MIT
NYU
Columbia
Boston College
Lehigh
Harvard
Georgetown</p>
<p>Anyone want to guess? You are also free to join in the "game" and post the stats of someone you know and have other people guess where he/she got accepted.</p>
<p>PM me with how good I was at guessing, I'd be curious to see.</p>
<p>American University-In
MIT-waitlisted
NYU-in
Columbia-In
Boston College-in
Lehigh-in
Harvard-Rejected
Georgetown-In</p>
<p>It would be nice to know how good this guy's essay was, as well his recs, but that is my very quick judgement. And i agree with you that many CCer's aren't very good at this(myself probablly included). I got accepted to Carleton College, and I think only one person guessed that I would get in there haha. They apparently thought my SAT/SAT II scores would hurt me.</p>
<p>of course they arent accurate lol silly boy!</p>
<p>all u can really do is talk to ppl who are already in the colleges u like and ask for ur chances off them... who'd know better - ppl who are applying to college or ppl who are already there?</p>
<p>After helping my two children get accepted at college, and seeing their friends and acquantiances get in (or not . . . ), I strongly believe that your GPA and scores only gets you into the candidate pool. Once you're in there, it's your uniqueness, your "hook," your je ne sais quoi, that gets you accepted. Otherwise, they'd just array everbody by scores and GPA and take the top XXXX. It's your ECs, your recs, and your essays that relay the uniqueness of you. When they say they want to get to know you, they really mean it.</p>
<p>yes people on cc can only predict if you get into the candidate pool accurately but we can not predict whether you will actually get into the school...veryhappy is so correct =D
American University-safety
MIT-reach
NYU-safety
Columbia-match
Boston College-saftety
Lehigh-safety
Harvard-reach
Georgetown-match</p>
<p>Anyone else want to guess? Here is another student if you want to evlauate 2 people:</p>
<p>Student #2</p>
<p>White male
GPA: 101.7
SAT: 1350 (720 Math, 630 Verbal)
Class Rank: #2 out of 293 students
EC's: Outstanding. Vice president of NHS, lost of volunteer work, president of other clubs. An All-American athlete for track.
High School Class of 2006</p>
<p>Again, I don't know about essays and rec's, but let's assume that they were very good.</p>
<p>Schools:
Yale
Princeton
Dartmouth
Fordham
Boston University
NYU
UPenn</p>
<p>You can guess on this guy and the other student mentioned in the OP.</p>
<p>hepstar by the email you sent us i guess it can be concluded the majority of us are pretty accurate except for our failure to predict correctly on lehigh...</p>
<p>hepstar, I find the stats incomplete which make it REALLY hard to make accurate predictions. And now, u know it very well that even the GCs or Admission Counselors can't be accurate in their prediction of chances in a particular college esp when u've names of some IVY schools and other top notch colleges which definitely don't just look for academically AWESOME students w/ perfect scores and excellent ECs (a bit more illustrious stats could've helped a lot for making 'PREDICTIONS'.)</p>
<p>These are the stats that I know for these applicants. They may not be complete, but they are something. I'm sure that when most people view chances threads, they are immediately drawn to the SAT scores and GPA. Therefore, these pieces of info are the most important and are thus included in this thread.</p>
<p>Hepstar: The GPA and scores are important, but not the most important. They're the most easily quantifiable, so that's why we look at them. </p>
<p>You can't quantify which is better: Someone who was the captain of three varsity sports and took care of his autistic brother, versus someone who raised $50,000 for brain cancer, because he had a parent who died from it. Or someone who is grandmaster in chess versus someone who won a prestigious language competition. </p>
<p>You can't quantify those things. But the AdComs have to look at the gestault of the people applying and figure out what types of people they want to admit. My classic made-up example of why someone gets in and someone else is rejected is that this year they wanted someone who plays the tuba, and you play the trumpet. </p>
<p>Assuming your GPA and scores are in the ballpark, the rest is a crapshoot. So I absolutely don't believe it's possible to assess "chances" only by looking at the GPA and scores.</p>
<p>I didn't say that GPA and test scores were the only factors. However, they are the first things that everyone looks at. On numerous occasions, I have seen people with fantastic EC's that ask for their chances to top colleges. Many of these people are told they have no chance simply because they have "low" test scores. </p>
<p>Just the other day, a bunch of CCers were telling this guy that he had no chance at Princeton just because his test scores were a little low (around 2100). This person played multiple varsity sports and had won many awards, both academic and athletic. However, he was told he had no chance just because of a 4-hour test.</p>
<p>With my comments about SAT scores, I am refering to CC more so than AdComs. People on this site are number-obsessed. They are the type of people who would retake a 2250 just to get a 2300. This obsession with numbers is reflected in their evaluation of people's Chances. AdComs know better than to rely soley on a 4-hour test for admission purposes. The reason I made this thread was to show that CCers are not always right. One should not be discouraged from applying to a college just because some person on a internet forum says that it is a super-reach. So far, some guesses have been more accurate than others, but no one has been 100% correct. </p>
<p>I don't want this to turn into another "SAT vs EC's" thread, so let's return to the original concept of ths thread; guessing people's chances.</p>
<p>thank u VeryHappy for saying exactly what I intended to say......
and now Hepstar u told that </p>
<p>"Just the other day, a bunch of CCers were telling this guy that he had no chance at Princeton just because his test scores were a little low (around 2100). This person played multiple varsity sports and had won many awards, both academic and athletic. However, he was told he had no chance just because of a 4-hour test.</p>
<p>With my comments about SAT scores, I am refering to CC more so than AdComs. People on this site are number-obsessed. They are the type of people who would retake a 2250 just to get a 2300. This obsession with numbers is reflected in their evaluation of people's Chances. AdComs know better than to rely soley on a 4-hour test for admission purposes. The reason I made this thread was to show that CCers are not always right. One should not be discouraged from applying to a college just because some person on a internet forum says that it is a super-reach. So far, some guesses have been more accurate than others, but no one has been 100% correct."
okay, rn't u one of the CCers too? Rn't the ones who post in 'What r my chances' r CCers too? Moreover, yeah I personally admit that CCers are sometimes number obsessed but NOT at all in the way u've described. Since they make high SAT/ACt scores, they (or let's say we) believe that it IS possible for anyone to get a better score which stands out most of the time. Let's say an applicant w/ 2250 would definitely get an edge when compared w/ an applicant w/ a score of 1740 if they've similar stats. Now, we tend to give more emphasis on standardized test scores since it's a good indicator of where the applicant stands if compared nationally.
Now, the ones who post on 'What r my chances' certainly don't think that CCers r 100% correct! Most of their main intention is to share their stats and to check out whether others think that s/he has a good chance. I mean like, they never make decision of whether they will apply to a certain school by the judgement of CCers anyway(don't say they r that dumb to do so)! They just want to have an assurance/sth like that. That's it! And if someone knows that CCers decision might harm their feeling/lower their confidence (lower their chance! lol!) then why should they even post?</p>