<p>“My Cuban S2 has just finished his standardized testing. 2380 SAT 1 and two 800s on his SAT 2s (yes, I realize I am boasting )”</p>
<p>Id like to see how many top colleges will reject your son. </p>
<p>I (Asian) had 2380 and 800 on two SAT IIs, 3.96 UWGPA and I got rejected/waitlisted from Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford, MIT, Penn, Dartmouth, Columbia and Duke.</p>
<p>A friend of mine (Asian) had 2400, 800 on two SAT IIs, 4.0 UWGPA and he got rejected/waitlisted from Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford, MIT, Penn, Columbia, JHU.</p>
<p>Do you think your son can match our rejection/waitlist records?</p>
<p>Regarding Fabrizios statistics about Duke’s Hispanic population…</p>
<p>I do believe that there are plenty of schools out there that “pad” their Hispanic population with Cubans and other rich/white Hispanics. These are probably schools that cannot compete for the talented lets call them “true” Hispanics if you want. I don’t think this is true across the board though. </p>
<p>I readily admit we need to change the way AA is handled for Hispanics. I don’t think the same holds true for blacks. JMO</p>
I recognize this slippery slope argument, but I don’t think you have to go very far down the slope to help people whose ancestors were slaves, or those whose ancestors were subjected to genocide and forced relocation to barren reservations. But I suppose this slippery slope is a justification for the “diversity” argument, which allows you to do the same thing without having to respond to those claims.</p>
<p>We can’t leave the Cubans out. There were Cubans in Florida long before Castro. I’ve read that roughly 100,000 Cubans fled Cuba during its fight for independence (late 1890s) from Spain. The working class often settled in Florida while the richer went to Europe. </p>
<p>I am sure you are aware that Cubans are white, black, and mixed. The black and the mixed suffered during the Jim Crow era just like all the others. All the south saw was their color, not their culture.</p>
<p>20more: My daughter didn’t apply to as many of the primo colleges but she was rejected/waitlisted at Harvard, Williams, and Stanford. There is no golden ticket. These schools are hard for EVERYONE to get into.</p>
I have no objection to this at all. But I would just point out that if colleges think that it will hurt them in some way to be perceived as “too Asian,” and they want to do something about it, combining the checkboxes won’t prevent them from doing it. They would all say now that they don’t discriminate between whites and Asians based on race.</p>
<p>Asians with these stats are a dime a dozen. Considering the asian population at all the Ivies are in the double digits, Those asians must be doing something right.</p>
<p>Yes. The “diversity” argument simplifies it all. The only way around the current law is to disprove that there is a benefit derived from a racially diverse campus.</p>
<p>But that’s because you somehow believe that your 2400/800/4.0’s made you among the uber-qualified pool for those schools - that somehow your 2400/800/4.0 made you more deserving candidates than the 2300 / 750 / 3.9’s and certainly more deserving than the 2200 / 700 / 3.8’s (white, black, or purple colored). </p>
<p>You still don’t get it, even though it is repeated over and over and over again. The elite colleges aren’t looking for “the smartest” as demonstrated by the highest SAT’s / GPA’s. If they were, they’d line up everybody by their SAT score and take from the very top. They are looking for people they consider will be an interesting addition to their class, whom they believe can handle the academic work. That “floor” is a lot lower (let’s just say it’s 2000 / 3.6 for the sake of argument). </p>
<p>You keep thinking that your 2400 / 4.0’s make you “special” in the pool of applicants and therefore you were “owed” acceptance to multiple schools on that list. Sorry. It doesn’t make you special in the pool of applicants. This has nothing to do with affirmative action, and everything to do with the fact that colleges aren’t looking for the things that you want them to look for.</p>
<p>You are continuing to overlay Asian norms for college acceptance (higher score = more worthy / deserving) onto American life, and being frustrated that it doesn’t work that way.</p>
<p>BTW, why would you <em>ever</em> have expected more than 1 admittance to a top 20 school, and given that you can only attend one school at a time, why isn’t getting one admittance cause for major celebration? The fact that you feel “cheated” when you ARE going to a top 20 school doesn’t reflect well on you.</p>
<p>affirmative action is a very complex issue. it doesnt just affect college admission… it also affect job placement, internships, and legal immigration.</p>
<p>He is probably correct in assuming that if my son’s application and his were exactly the same, my son would be accepted to more schools than he would just because of that one box. I think that’s all he’s saying here. He has already been roasted on a different thread for his attitude toward the tippy top schools.</p>
<p>White students (from my HS) with similar (or lesser) stats got into those colleges “over and over and over again” without spectacular ECs while Asians don’t get into those colleges “over and over and over again”.</p>
<p>^i think when it comes to college admissions, you compete against your own race. most asians are very smart with high scores so it makes sense you would have harder time getting in</p>
<p>its not fair but cant you just do stuff that is something different from what people in your race usually do? like if you are white and you self teach yourself chinese. and if you are asian, you self teach yourself arabic or play football/basketball.</p>