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Oh, good. This is an example of how you refrain from judging people?
Thanks for the lesson.
Hello Pot. Kettle Calling.</p>
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<p>I’m going to conditionally “defend” Pizzagirl’s post, even though I usually strongly disagree with her on this issue and anything related to it.</p>
<p>In #457, 20more said he “fe[lt] cheated.” I remember his thread from a few months back that soomoo referred to in #456 where he was “roasted…for his attitude toward the tippy top schools.” If I recall correctly, 20more had some top acceptances, including Chicago, Northwestern, and Vandy. Those are all excellent schools, so he shouldn’t feel cheated. I thus agree with Pizzagirl.</p>
<p>On the issue of “class,” that thread contained several posts by a user who no longer posts here. If ever there was someone who completely lacked class, it was him. He gloated about his daughter’s admissions successes to 20more while masquerading as someone who wanted to help him learn from his “mistakes.” But when it was revealed that his daughter benefited from THREE non-academic hooks, he refused to have any of it. Despite previously posting that his daughter is at least one-quarter Mexican, he adamantly denied “URM” status and claimed that his family was Irish, end of discussion. So I again agree with Pizzagirl that “class” exists.</p>
<p>My problems with Pizzagirl’s posts are that she often overgeneralizes about Asians and then balks when called on it. That I cannot agree with or defend.</p>
<p>Thank you, cbreeze for understanding what I’m trying to say.</p>
<p>I think words matter. A lot. And words like “class” and “person of quality” hark back to an earlier age and social structure that I really hope we’ve put behind us.</p>
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<p>I guess I am thinking about that kid that just gets amazing recommendations because everyone loves him/her at school. Not only for the work he/she does, but because he/she is the type of person teachers want in their classroom…helpful, kind, modest…I’m sure you know the type of kid I’m talking about.</p>
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Meaning that yes, I actually can admit there are classier folks than myself.</p>
<p>But now that you mention the OP, he didn’t merely complain. He accused (through a question, but an implied accusation) college admissions staffs of being racist. That is generally interpreted as a pretty bad insult to what are probably decent people just doing what they feel is right, whether you consider it misguided or not.</p>
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<p>Yes, I remember that poster. He was also classless. And dishonest. And an insufferable braggart. I have zero problem saying any of that. I’d use him in the definitions for those terms.</p>
<p>No, I don’t think a super really, really nice kid belongs at one of the world’s top academic institutions if they don’t have sky high test scores and grades. And I’m sure that such a kid is so darn nice, that they would be just totally cool with getting rejected.</p>
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<p>How would you know? Would you have said this when Adcoms were discriminating against Jews and URMs?</p>
<p>So what you’re saying is you agree that the adcoms ARE racist, so calling them that is warranted?</p>
<p>The adcoms are just the enforcers of a policy that they didn’t write. </p>
<p>And there is an element of intimidation along the lines of “this is the Ivy League, for God’s sake, you can’t possibly accuse the Ivy League of a policy that discriminates against a RACE!!!”</p>
<p>Come to think of it, there is a lot of courage that most go into a kid who is going to take a stand and question it. Now that, I would call “character”. Not the super duper nice kid who is always polite.</p>
<p>I predict that 50 years from now this issue will be looked at, written about and seen as not a shining hour for our elite educational establishment.</p>
<p>Arbiter,I think the OP has some valid reasons and he is venting. I am merely pointing out some flaws in people’s arguments.</p>
<p>Look at Jewish representation in the US population and their percentage in Ivy League schools. Lots of people find that a source of great pride. Asians on the other hand aren’t comparable in those numbers. So I think sewhappy’s statement is very appropriate</p>
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Oh good grief. It would be character if they are actually going to do something about it which requires some sacrifice from them. Most of these kids only care about their own admissions. If you have evidence of any of these kids on here actually working and investing their time to change this policy, I’ll compliment them right here and now.</p>
<p>Wow, look how courageous I am posting this rant on CC. Call me John Brown.</p>
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<p>Did you read my post? </p>
<p>I merely stated that the OP wasn’t just venting and complaining, he was implicitly insulting the adcoms (or colleges). I think whether Harvard, Yale or Princeton is a racist college is not exactly a shut and closed case. A lot of people still want to go to those racist institutions apparently.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t be surprised if some folks on here aren’t even paying tuition money to fund that racism.</p>
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<p>If some kid has the nerve to accuse the adcoms of being racist in their admissions essays, I’ll call them courageous. Not that I necessarily agree with that, but it would take cojones.</p>
<p>Not an argument on the pros and cons of affirmative action- something along the lines of what you read on here - “I know you folks probably won’t accept me because you are racist against my ethnic group.” Then compare them to the racists of old.</p>
<p>Or better yet, turn down your acceptance based on principle, then publicize it. I’m still waiting to read about that one.</p>
<p>I don’t notice any kids saying they’re so offended by the racism of these schools that they refuse to apply there.</p>
<p>Personally, though, I don’t blame a kid like 20more for wondering why he didn’t get into certain schools when he saw others that at least appeared to be less qualified getting in. This is disappointing and frustrating, and it’s human nature to wonder if there was something unfair about it.</p>
<p>As for Silverturtle, I agree that he showed tremendous class in how he reacted to his admissions. If you don’t like the term “class,” can I say that he’s a real mensch?</p>
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<p>I don’t see these kids asking how to appeal their decisions or how to start a class-action lawsuit, so posting after they get their results does nothing for the posters. As far as investing time to change a policy, what else is this? How is this different than being one person in a 5000-person rally? That one person didn’t change anything by himself, but maybe he told others who told others who eventually reached a critical mass where media and government started to pay attention.</p>
<p>No one can lead in every single fight that deserves to be fought. Sometimes it’s enough to say, “I agree. This needs to be changed.” And to pass the message on to friends.</p>
<p>Agree with fabrizio on #489.
Generalizing URM to “From The 'Hood.” and Asians to “Rich Suburban Kid” sounds racist to me.
And don’t forget the mistreatment Asian Americans received in the past including Chinese Exclusion Act.</p>
<p>“I don’t notice any kids saying they’re so offended by the racism of these schools that they refuse to apply there.”</p>
<p>This is a bit similar to saying “If you don’t want to sit in the back, you can walk.”</p>
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<p>No. That is not what is called an analogy. The appropriate analogy is, “If you don’t want to sit in the back, you can take one of the [in this case thousands of] other varieties of transportation to get to your destination.” This particular expensive bus that looks flashy, is popular and high profile, is not necessarily better (in terms of employment, in terms of the education delivered, in terms of campus life) than the many other professionally-run vehicles of many sizes, of many prices, and from many locations.</p>
<p>But the additional point is that no one is assigned to sit in the back. Rather, the bus is crowded and everyone in the general field is looked at for the group product of abilities, talents, geographies, and personal origins represented. Four busloads of equals will be rejected or waitlisted as those who got on the “first” bus. And the four busloads of equally able (but w/listed and rejected) students will be made up of people with similarly spectacular abilities and talents, and of a wide variety of personal origins, but possibly some aspects of what they bring will be duplicated by those chosen for the first bus.</p>