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<p>Can we put aside the generalizations that all, or even most URM’s have a 1900 or 2000 SAT score at elite schools. I think it was twomules that was wondering if her child with a 2380 might be viewed differently because other’s assumed her son got in through AA. For every URM that may have got a break on test scores, there are many more that are just as competetive in that respect (as my D was.) I asked my daughter awhile back if she thought that her classmates assumed she was at her school because of AA, and she said nobody has ever said anything, and even more importantly, she has never been made to feel that way. IMO, this is one again something that CC people think and talk about, but IRL, not so much of a big deal.</p>
<p>This is so difficult to answer. Those who feel this way are not following the growing numbers of Asian students in universities.
Two concepts may even follow, if universities accept too many Asians, how would American students feel? If Asian students are just limited to a few, Asians would feel that it is racist. So how should they really address the issue?</p>
<p>Excuse me, but those Asian students are Americans. Just as the Hispanic, black and white students are Americans. </p>
<p>All Americans should be treated absolutely equally in college admissions.</p>
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Years and years ago the president of Harvard said that pretty much anyone who got a 650 or so per section was more than capable of doing the work at Harvard. The extra 150 points generally reflects income more than anything else.</p>
<p>^agreed. Asian kids are not “born smart”, but just work harder. American kids should play less video games and start studying. Everyone is born the same; its your work ethic that determines how “smart” you are.</p>
<p>^ Because life is all about studying Lol</p>
<p>not necessarily,but I’m saying the people who don’t study shouldn’t be coddled and prioritized over those that do.</p>
<p>INFO FROM PRINCETON’S COMMON DATA SETS FOR 2006 through 2009:</p>
<pre><code> # of Apps/ # admitted/ # enrolled Percent Asian-American identified:
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<p>*2006: 17,564 / 1790 / 1228 / 13.6%</p>
<p>*2007: 18.942 / 1838 / 1244 / 14.1%</p>
<p>2008: 21,370 / 2122 / 1243 / 15.0%</p>
<p>2009: 21,963 / 2209 / 1320 / 15.9%</p>
<p>*For enrollment years 2006 and 2007, males outnumbered females in applications, admits, and enrollments (52-53% for males, 47-48% for females); for enrollment years 2008 and 2009, gender split has evened out for all 3 categories of data</p>
<p>Everyone is not born the same. Some are much more intelligent than others. It’s not just studying, although that certainly is part of the equation. </p>
<p>Students who work hard ought not to be ‘punished’ for working hard. They ought to be rewarded for their ability and work ethic by having equal standards for college admissions.</p>
<p>Granted, many people disagree that all people are born the same, but it can be used as a general rule. Even those that seem to be “born smart” are secretly working in the backgrounds, and have been shaped that way through their experiences. Personally, I believe in Tabula Rasa.</p>
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<p>Then there is no point in having racial preferences, is there?</p>
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<p>Sometimes people forget about this. Thank you.</p>
<p>I agree with the anti-AA people, but the question remains, What are you going to do about the status quo?</p>
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<p>If your state runs a civil rights initiative, vote for it. One step at a time.</p>
<p>I have read every page of this very interesting thread and I have learned a ton. Usually threads with this type of title turn into rants. </p>
<p>I guess I come down smack in the middle on this issue. I am fine with AA for URMs if we tweak it a bit to try to weed out some of the white rich latinos. I am fine with offspring of rich black families receiving a preference however. In spite of what others may think, I believe it is still difficult to be black in most of America, even with money. You still LOOK different.</p>
<p>I also think it’s time to combine Whites and Asians in the admissions process. And if hiding names is necessary to ensure an unbiased assessment of a candidate then so be it.</p>
<p>Racism has no bearing on academic performance.</p>
<p>^Do you really believe this?</p>
<p>^ Yep. I’m a mixed(black/white) child in the middle of Alabama. By what you’re saying, I should have dropped out by now. I experience more than my fair share of racism in my life, but it hasn’t affected my ability to learn :D</p>
<p>It’s really demeaning to our kids to assume that they are going to care at all about the racial composition of their school. Their chief concern should be to go to school with the best minds and most stimulating and challenging classmates they can find. They should not be choosing a school by it’s skin color composition. That is actually racist no matter how hard you try to justify it.</p>
<p>And the notion that a black or white or Asian or Latino kind might feel “awkward” without “more like themselves” is just completely ridiculous. I don’t think parents or school administrators should be catering to that kind of attitude. We need to get past even noting race when we encounter people. And I honestly think our kids – the best among our kids – have arrived there already.</p>
<p>woeishe, I think race should be eliminated from admissions.
I also think, especially for the elite schools, that they should expand their use of questbridge to identify low income urm’s and others and set aside 10% or more of their spots for those kids.
I think they should eliminate altogether any lowering of admission standards for athletes.
I think they need to establish (at a very high level) a minimum standard of academic achievement for legacies(regardless of how much money has been donated), make that standard known, and not make exceptions.</p>