Are CSU's "Lowclass" compared to UC's???

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isn’t social work basically the lowest paid major out there?
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<p>why should this even matter?</p>

<p>college isn’t about teaching you the skills you need for a job, it’s about preparing you to be a critical thinker who is capable of adapting to any situation needed, it’s about becoming more sophisticated and more capable. A psychology major could easily do social work, as could a philosophy major. Go for your dream but do what you can to have the most options and available to you.</p>

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<p>The irony of a bunch of community college students talking trash about state schools is too enjoyable. </p>

<p>I know that was late, but the first couple of pages of this thread was so funny. How can anyone – let alone community college students – talk bad about other schools? LOL</p>

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<p>@Victoria: A good major if you like diving would be Marine Biology. I think Oceanography has its fair share of underwater research, but in the end you are studying about the movement and characteristics of sea water. If the idea of that previous sentence doesn’t inspire lots of great research ideas in you, then Oceanography is probably not a good choice.</p>

<p>But Marine Bio! Fish! Coral! Whales! Diving! Less Math. :)</p>

<p>@Itsmashed: Indeed they do. Lots of great connections with industry too. They offer some pretty world class graduate programs in Geology and Planetary Science as well.</p>

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<p>Petrology. :)</p>

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<p>@BayAreaTransfer–that’s what I’m saying! </p>

<p>@arrow–I understand, I wasn’t implying everyone who went to a CC is a failure. Personally, I went because it was much cheaper and I didn’t want to settle for the colleges I had gotten into. I wanted to go to my #1.</p>

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<p>There’s a simple way and a complicated way of looking at this. If you were to take the averages of all the schools and compare to the averages of CSU’s, then you’d get an abnormally large number favoring the UC’s, but that’s because:</p>

<p>A) There are 23 CSU’s versus only 10 UC’s. Naturally, this is going to change the curve.</p>

<p>B) The UC system has only a handful of schools that aren’t as competitive as their top schools. Riverside and Merced accept around 80% of their Freshmen applicants. However, they have a higher amount of schools that have very competitive acceptance rates. Berkeley has 26% with an average GPA of 4.15. UCLA has 21% with an average GPA of 4.16! Those two monsters alone are recognized nation wide and very competitive. The schools aside aren’t push overs either. UCSD has a 37% acceptance rate, Davis has 42%, Irvine has 46%. When 5 out of 10 schools have less than 50% acceptance rate, it’s going to make the average very low. </p>

<p>Compare this to CSU, and while some schools (SDSU) have a 31% admissions rate, you have to consider that SDSU received something like 50,000 applications, so 30% of that is still over 15,000 admissions. And you have CSU Chico, which accepts 87% of its applicants. The worst UC doesn’t have a rate that high. CSU Monterey is at 81%. Average GPA 3.09. Even CSU Los Angeles takes 77% with a 3.1 average GPA.</p>

<p>Remember that incoming freshmen GPA are usually higher than transfer GPA’s because transfer applications can only get as high as a 4.0 and there’s priority for it.</p>

<p>C) Majors has a significant impact, along with graduate school. Are you a science major? If so, then your best options at CSU’s are Cal Polytechnic San Luis Obispo or Pomona. But Cal Tech is a different beast than Chico, San Bernardino or Los Angeles. Cal Tech is a 32% admissions rate and more vigorous transfer requirements for engineering majors than even UCLA or Berkeley. </p>

<p>D) Are you an art or business major? UC’s are usually great for economics, but when it comes to international business, you get much more job preparation from a state university. UC’s have professors that are hired there to do research. They’re researchers first, and professors second. If you’re an art major, you really have no business at Berkeley or UCSD. You’re kind of wasting expensive fees. SDSU has an amazing film academy. So does CSU Northridge or CSU Los Angeles. </p>

<p>So really, yes it all depends, but on the grand scheme of things, you’ll find a lot more students at a UC that are well rounded academically (they know calculus, chemistry, along with knowing liberal arts) whereas at a CSU, you can certainly find engineering or chemistry students who are well rounded, but if you do a general sample, you’ll get a lot of people who got as high as Geometry and are shooting for Stats and that’s it.</p>

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<p>Anyone that says going to a CC = failure, really doesn’t know crap about the system and what it’s designed to do.</p>

<p>Did you know that academic departments at a university and admissions officers LIKE and PREFER transfers versus freshmen students?</p>

<p>Why - Because we, on average, know what we want to do and won’t waste time getting there. Also, there’s a vast difference between how you learn in high school and how you learn in college. College semester courses and quarter courses typically cover the same amount of information that a high school course covers in a year. People think that everyone in community college has a high GPA and that’s not the case. Here at College Confidential, sure, you might find a lot of students with high GPA’s, but that’s a biased sample. </p>

<p>At my school, I have only met ONE person who has a 3.5 or higher other than me and now I feel like a braggart for talking about it. </p>

<p>A chemistry department officer at UCSD told me personally that on average, students from the San Diego Community College District that transferred in, do better in upper division chemistry than freshmen students, because the SDCCD system has good preparation courses and more one-on-one professor student interaction. My Chemistry professor had a review session on his own time to go over net ionic equations and he didn’t have to do that at all. At UC, you’re lucky if you even get to talk to a TA!</p>

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<p>going from a CC doesn’t imply failure as general ed is general ed and it can be argued that the quality of education at a CC is generally superior to that of a UC or CSU for lower level courses. Face it, econ 101 doesn’t need a pHD for adequate comprehension and subsequent instruction and the benefit of a better student:teacher ratio far outweighs the benefit of a superior teacher.</p>

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<p>Just want to point out that CalTech =/= Cal Poly SLO. CalTech is a private school, not a CSU. I’m sure you knew that, and that wasn’t what you meant, but I thought I’d clarify because the above paragraph kind of implied the opposite and OOS folks reading this might not know.</p>

<p>Btw Essenar, SD Mesa represent! Did you know our school mascot is the “Olympians”? I didn’t until this morning, LOL.</p>

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<p>lol. Yeah I was abbreviating prematurely. But either case, my point is that CSU SLO is a great science school with a “UC Los Angeles” type admissions rate.</p>

<p>And I didn’t know our mascot was the Olympians. To be honest, I don’t spend enough time on campus socializing. I haven’t been to any Mesa games, all my friends are just one night stand study partners, my girlfriend goes to Cuyameca and we’re about to break up lol. </p>

<p>What classes are you taking? I’m in Math 150, Chem 152, Sociology 101 and Poli Sci 102.</p>

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<p>Heh, yeah, I was walking across campus and saw “OLYMPIANS” written on the football field. I had no idea. I haven’t been to any games either so I guess that’s why.</p>

<p>I’m on campus a bit more than I’d like actually, but that’s probably got a lot to do with the fact that I’m taking three labs this semester. My IGETC is done and I got my acceptance to UCSD so I’m just cleaning up my major pre-reqs at this point. This semester I’m in Math 255, Bio 210A, Chem 200, Geol 100, and Geol 101.</p>

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<p>Haha I go to Mesa College too! Well, I only play tennis there two times a week (which I LOVE) because I don’t have any more classes to take…but the last 2 years I have been going to there and Miramar…and I really did enjoy it. The only downside for me is their counselors. I don’t know if it’s just me, but every counselor I have been to at Mesa, Miramar and City gave me inaccurate advice on transferring to UCSD with TAG. One told me the wrong classes to take to complete IGETC. And one even told me I didn’t have a chance at getting into a UC…I feel like going in there and putting my acceptance letter to UCSD all over his face lol.</p>

<p>PS. I didn’t know our mascot was the Olympians either…haha eh kind of weird?</p>

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<p>@lisc949: All right, a fellow Olympian! :)</p>

<p>Dude, Mesa’s counselors suck. It seems like they are very confused over stuff like transfers, and I had one recently stumble over the paperwork for petitioning to graduate. I had to basically set up my own TAG into UCSD once I got a hold of the IGETC worksheet.</p>

<p>I walk past the tennis courts every day on the way from the parking lot. Ever notice the sign that says “HIGH THEFT ZONE” in big letters hanging on the outside of the courts? LOL.</p>

<p>We’re Olympians, yet we’ve never been to the Olympics. How’s that work?</p>

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<p>Mesa college represent! I’m going there as well.</p>

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<p>Lol! Never seen the “high theft zone sign”…but that doesn’t surprise me haha. I am taking a class there Tuesdays and Thursdays 11:10-12:30…I suck haha but come watch!</p>

<p>So are you getting your associates? I guess it’s sort of pointless if you are getting your bachelors…but I saw one counselor who said I wasn’t eligible to get my associates in anything. Then, when I went to get my IGETC signed, the lady said I was getting a social and behavioral science degree lol they are seriously soooo confusing!! </p>

<p>Since the counselors were NO help, I think I pretty much have this transfer/tag business down by learning it myself. Maybe I should be a college counselor lol.</p>

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<p>^I’ve actually heard that Mesa’s counselors are much more helpful than the ones at Mt San Jacinto (my current college)</p>

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<p>One of my professors: “csu is designed to get you directly into the workforce, uc is designed to prepare you for grad school”</p>

<p>he was kinda csu-biased though</p>

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<p>Never saw that sign. And Mesa counselors are bad. Go to City College for counseling. I’ve heard Miramar counselors are good too.</p>

<p>But Mesa Counselors are NOWHERE near as bad as Southwestern College counselors. They told me I needed to do all my prerequisites before having TAG with UCSD!</p>

<p>And UCSD told me I didn’t!</p>

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<p>my problem with CSU’s are almost all of them are commuter schools and kind of dead. The only CSU’s I would ever consider are SDSU, Humboldt and SLO</p>

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<p>Yay humboldt! That’s my back up to UCB. Beautiful area! Great dorms (brand new on campus apartments) plus great exercise center! I also love that they have a decent atletic program…
Luckily if I get rejected from UCB I’ll be happy there :)</p>