Are internationals who need no aid at an advantage?

<p>Hey guys,</p>

<p>I know with the recession and everything... things are tough for a lot of families...but i read somewhere that with a lot of students seeking aid and colleges not being capable of meeting their demands, people who need no aid are at an advantage during admission. I am from Canada and do not need aid so would that hold true for internationals not needing aid as well. I heard that internationals who don't need aid are not at a disadvantage at top privates ..... and during this recession, might even have a bit of an advantage. Is this true?</p>

<p>Most top schools are need blind even for internationals. </p>

<p>However at other schools need is a big factor.</p>

<p>i am applying to colleges like Tufts, UVa, Vandy, Emory etc. I would imagine … me being international(they would want diversity?) and not needing aid would be a benefit. I am not applying to Ivies. Also, i believe only very few schools are need blind for internationals…like the upper ivies.</p>

<p>To my knowledge those colleges are not international need-blind so that will be to your benefit. But most US schools have so many international students that “diversity” does not even cross their minds so I can only imagine that you will be better off than a needy international but probably slightly less advantaged than a US Citizen.</p>

<p>^I agree. Most US colleges are given, by the government, some quota (i.e. 10%) that they’re allowed to have be international students. Yes, you’re at an advantage compared ot other international students. But to many (though not all) top schools, there are more internationals applying for the available slots than US citizens. And likely, internationals are even more self-selecting (no stats to support this, i don’t really KNOW, but am guessing) than US citizens (ok, I’m pretty sure WestCoast kids are a bit more self-selecting [my state had a 16% vs. 11% national acceptance to Brown] to Ivy League colleges than EastCoast, because there’s less of an expectation out here that they’ll go to Ivies).</p>

<p>So much misinformation on one thread!</p>

<p>Let’s start here:</p>

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<p>Simply untrue. 8 or 9 colleges are need blind for internationals and at least one is changing that for this year. No one knows what the others will do given their current financial situation, but being as generous as in the past few years to internationals is unlikely.</p>

<p>Then there’s this:</p>

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<p>Huh? Again, simply untrue. The gov’t has zero involvement in telling private U’s who they can take.</p>

<p>The bottom line is this is an excellent year to be full pay for internationals and domestics alike. None of the schools you name have ever been need blind to internationals and not needing aid will be a big boost. As a Canadian it won’t be a huge boost, but it will put you ahead of those in your pool needing aid by a lot.</p>

<p>Besides, a lot of internationals just say that they don’t need aid and try to get aid somewhere else or work over the summer, so that they wouldn’t be at a disadvantage</p>

<p>so, it probably is not a huge advantage</p>

<p>wow different people saying different things… i read that not needing aid for internationals is huge advantage and hmom agrees. but some of the the other here don’t… and abt the 10 % quota… im 99.9 % sure thats not true…any more opinions?</p>

<p>listen to hmom5 - she knows what of she speaks.</p>

<p>I would assume anyone who doesn’t need FA is at an advantage, though then one would question the whole purprose of FA… so to a extent yes, it can be very helpful.</p>

<p>Yes, well there seems to be shift in colleges wanting more people who can pay full tuition… i read this especially about certain colleges since they ended their need-blind admissions policy. Idk… i talked to admissions office at Johns Hopkins and they said that an international not needing aid is not even slightly at a disadvantage… i take them for their word.</p>

<p>any other comments?</p>