Are Macbooks really worth the exorbitant price tag?

<p>“And it’s very low these days.”</p>

<p>Well, low is a pretty relative term. Perhaps my company is wasting millions of dollars a year on its linux support team. But I really don’t think so.</p>

<p>Why do other open source projects and a place like Google have employees that prefer Macs when they were gung-ho on Linux several years ago. Perhaps they don’t want to deal with the maintenance issues and would just prefer to work on their software engineering.</p>

<p>“From the way you talk, it sounds like the last time you used Linux was back in the late 90s when Red Hat and Debian were all the rage.”</p>

<p>I use Linux daily. It’s nice to use when you have someone to do the maintenance.</p>

<p>
[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

Why do other open source projects and a place like Google have employees that prefer Macs when they were gung-ho on Linux several years ago. Perhaps they don’t want to deal with the maintenance issues and would just prefer to work on their software engineering.

[/quote]
Nah, they’re just drinking the Apple Kool-aid like everyone else. It’ll be really funny when Apple’s user base revolts now that the His Holiness the Stevemeister is gone and the RDF starts disintegrating. The RDF is what’s made the average Mac user a smug fanboi.</p>

<p>Oh, and do you have any factual sources for conversion of Googlers to OS X? Also, I wouldn’t say that Linux was that big several years ago. Canonical has made Linux more popular on the desktop than ever before, and Google even has its own Ubuntu-derivative distribution now. Just because you wish Linux were declining doesn’t mean it’ll just go away.</p>

<p>“Nah, they’re just drinking the Apple Kool-aid like everyone else.”</p>

<p>They’re an important commercial enterprise and it’s not the easiest place to get into. Seems to be a little jealousy here.</p>

<p>“It’ll be really funny when Apple’s user base revolts now that the His Holiness the Stevemeister is gone and the RDF starts disintegrating. The RDF is what’s made the average Mac user a smug fanboi.”</p>

<p>Non sequitur.</p>

<p>“Oh, and do you have any factual sources for conversion of Googlers to OS X?”</p>

<p>This was in an article that I read about Google a while ago.</p>

<p>“Also, I wouldn’t say that Linux was that big several years ago. Canonical has made Linux more popular on the desktop than ever before, and Google even has its own Ubuntu-derivative distribution now. Just because you wish Linux were declining doesn’t mean it’ll just go away.”</p>

<p>Linux is a failure on the desktop.</p>

<p>Most of the main Mozilla developers used Linux earlier in the century. If you were at Summit 2008 you would have thought that you were at a Mac conference.</p>

<p>Our company makes billions off of Linux. But we have no doubts about its problems on the desktop.</p>

<p>
[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

They’re an important commercial enterprise and it’s not the easiest place to get into. Seems to be a little jealousy here.

[/quote]
Nope, no jealousy. If they want to use it, their loss, not mine. I’ve had to use a Mac for software development, and it is extremely painful. If they want to be masochists, they should go right ahead.</p>

<p>
[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

Linux is a failure on the desktop.

[/quote]
How so? It works fine for me and several people I know IRL.</p>

<p>
[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

Most of the main Mozilla developers used Linux earlier in the century. If you were at Summit 2008 you would have thought that you were at a Mac conference.

[/quote]
And Firefox is targeted towards Windows users. The Mac and Linux ports get hardly any attention in comparision, so that’s a non sequitur.</p>

<p>
[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

But we have no doubts about its problems on the desktop.

[/quote]
You keep going on about these ``problems’', but it sounds like nothing more than FUD.</p>

<p>OEMs do hardware support for Windows, and OS X only has to support about 5 pieces of hardware anyway, so you don’t notice that there is support already in place. Have you ever tried buying a boxed copy of Windows (or OSx86) and getting it to run? It’s a veritable hell.</p>

<p>It’s a miracle that it’s even possible to install an OS on your own with relatively little pain, like you can with Linux. When I install Ubuntu on someone’s computer these days, I rarely have to configure anything. Linux adoption has plateaued only because all the people who actually care about the OS they’re using have already switched.</p>

<p>But when you add in an OEM that removes the need to even install the OS on your own, Linux suddenly has an entirely different position, seeing as it’s a cheaper option than Windows. It’s too bad that Microsoft uses its monopoly position to force OEMs not to support Linux preinstallations. Otherwise it would have taken off at least 2 years ago.</p>

<p>As for the Mac’s popularity, that’s just because it’s trendy. When the fad ends, people will go back to Windows (or Linux, if it’s taken off by then). Without the social imperative to buy a Mac, there’s basically no reason to waste so much money on a shiny trinket.</p>

<p>“Nope, no jealousy. If they want to use it, their loss, not mine. I’ve had to use a Mac for software development, and it is extremely painful. If they want to be masochists, they should go right ahead.”</p>

<p>AFAIK, they use them on the desktop.</p>

<p>“How so? It works fine for me and several people I know IRL.”</p>

<p>That’s called anecdotal evidence. It’s pretty easy to find articles on the web with Linux implementation disasters. Part of the problem is the arrogance of the Linux community on forums with unreasonable expectations of unsophisticated users.</p>

<p>“And Firefox is targeted towards Windows users. The Mac and Linux ports get hardly any attention in comparision, so that’s a non sequitur.”</p>

<p>I guess you didn’t attend the Mac OSX meetings at Summit 2008.</p>

<p>Strange that you should say that since Firefox is the most important distribution that ships with Linux.</p>

<p>If you think that Linux support is inadequate, the code is right there for you to work on.</p>

<p>BTW, there are some core Linux developers. They tend not to work in SF though.</p>

<p>“You keep going on about these ``problems’', but it sounds like nothing more than FUD.”</p>

<p>Give me a break. You know exactly what I’m talking about. </p>

<p>“OEMs do hardware support for Windows, and OS X only has to support about 5 pieces of hardware anyway, so you don’t notice that there is support already in place. Have you ever tried buying a boxed copy of Windows (or OSx86) and getting it to run? It’s a veritable hell.”</p>

<p>Yes, I’ve spent about $1,000 on a variety of Windows licenses for a variety of hardware platforms. Yes it’s a pain in the neck getting drivers. But that’s not the average user experience. It’s for hackers and early adopters. Part of doing an OS is the supply chain and Microsoft puts in a lot of effort to get that to work.</p>

<p>“It’s a miracle that it’s even possible to install an OS on your own with relatively little pain, like you can with Linux. When I install Ubuntu on someone’s computer these days, I rarely have to configure anything. Linux adoption has plateaued only because all the people who actually care about the OS they’re using have already switched.”</p>

<p>Maybe you can. Maybe I can. But the average humanities major would probably throw it out the window after trying.</p>

<p>“But when you add in an OEM that removes the need to even install the OS on your own, Linux suddenly has an entirely different position, seeing as it’s a cheaper option than Windows. It’s too bad that Microsoft uses its monopoly position to force OEMs not to support Linux preinstallations. Otherwise it would have taken off at least 2 years ago.”</p>

<p>Whining. Why don’t you solve the problem instead of whining. Microsoft does work to protect its turf. Yeah, all that corporate stuff. Is Linux willing to put its money where its mouth is? It does just fine on the server and the computing world is pretty happy with that.</p>

<p>For full disclosure, I own a Lenovo ThinkPad R61 and dual boot Vista Business x64 and Archlinux 64.</p>

<p>Apple laptops aren’t necessarily overpriced. I just configured a Lenovo T400 with the following specs:</p>

<ol>
<li> Core 2 Duo P8400 (2.26 ghz)</li>
<li> Vista Business x64</li>
<li> 14.1” LED-backlit WXGA+ TFT with Camera</li>
<li> Intel GMA4500MHD</li>
<li> 2GB DDR3 1067mhz RAM</li>
<li> 160 GB Hard Disk</li>
<li> DVD Burner</li>
<li> Intel WiFi Link 5100 (AGN)</li>
<li> 6 Cell Battery</li>
</ol>

<p>The price came out to be $1308, which is actually $9 higher than the base unibody MacBook. The ThinkPad has a faster processor and a bigger monitor but arguably inferior integrated graphics. In addition, the wireless for both laptops is 802.11n compatible, but the chipsets aren’t the same. Lastly, I’m not sure if the MacBook has a 6 cell battery; the web page merely claimed five hour battery life, which was never possible on my 4 cell equipped ThinkPad.</p>

<p>XP and Vista can be easily installed on a MacBook. OSX can be installed on the ThinkPad, but that’s a hack job with varying mileage. (Potentially loads of fun, though.)</p>

<p>Personally, I love ThinkPads. Their sleek black design exudes class and is truly classic. </p>

<p>Now, Apple desktops, on the other hand, are a different story. It’s somewhat ironic that the least expensive Mac – the Mini – is actually the most overpriced. You don’t get very much at all for $580 (student discount). The iMac isn’t as overpriced by any means, but it is very difficult to upgrade anything other than the memory on it. I hope no college student is begging his parents for a $2800 full tower that doesn’t even include a monitor. I’m not saying it’s overpriced; I’m saying no college student would possibly require that much firepower.</p>

<p>
[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

Strange that you should say that since Firefox is the most important distribution that ships with Linux.

[/quote]
I don’t think it’s the most important.</p>

<p>
[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

If you think that Linux support is inadequate, the code is right there for you to work on.

[/quote]
I don’t use Firefox, so that’s not an issue for me.</p>

<p>
[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

Give me a break. You know exactly what I’m talking about.

[/quote]
Wow, now you’re blatantly avoiding a direct question. You really can’t think of a single problem?</p>

<p>
[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

Maybe you can. Maybe I can. But the average humanities major would probably throw it out the window after trying.

[/quote]
You’re completely missing the point. ``The average humanities major’’ wouldn’t even try to install an OS. Most likely, they don’t even know what an OS, and don’t care.

People buy Macs because of the hardware, not the software. OS X is not that noticeable, but a MacBook is instantly recognizable, mostly because of that annoying logo. Tying the hardware to the software gave Apple an extra boost in marketing.

[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

Whining. Why don’t you solve the problem instead of whining. Microsoft does work to protect its turf. Yeah, all that corporate stuff.

[/quote]
All that ``stuff’ is actually illegal under antitrust law. But with the right lawyers and enough bribery, you can get away with pretty much anything these days.

[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

Is Linux willing to put its money where its mouth is? It does just fine on the server and the computing world is pretty happy with that.

[/quote]
But the desktop market? You aren’t targeting the ``computing world’’ in that case. You’re targeting non-technical computer users. You will never get non-technical computer users to switch to Linux en masse, because they don’t understand what software is. To them, a computer is a magic box. Like I said before, it’s the hardware that has allowed Apple to establish itself as such an icon in mainstream society.</p>

<p>
[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

we have no doubts about its problems on the desktop.

[/quote]

[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

That’s called anecdotal evidence.

[/quote]
Try not to contradict yourself so much.</p>

<p>“I don’t think it’s the most important.”</p>

<p>It appears that the Linux distro folks don’t care about what you think is important.</p>

<p>“I don’t use Firefox, so that’s not an issue for me.”</p>

<p>Then I guess that your original complaint is a non-issue.</p>

<p>“Wow, now you’re blatantly avoiding a direct question. You really can’t think of a single problem?”</p>

<p>No, I don’t think that you’re that naive. Perhaps you are. But since you asked:</p>

<p>Why Linux sucks as a Desktop OS?
29 07 2007</p>

<p>Okay, the topic should be “Why Linux sucks for Windows users?”, but it mentions what I’m going to write, a bit better. This is not a Linux bashing post. It is just a real world experience. We have a background of 10 years of Linux experience on several distros, starting with Slackware 3.x.</p>

<p>For the past 10 months, I’m showing Beryl and all of those excellent effects to my customers, and installing Linux on request. I’m pushing Linux usage, but the results are really bad.</p>

<p>Here’s what happened:</p>

<pre><code>* After installation, customers left our shop happily.

  • No tech support requests for some time.
  • After some time, people started to call us, saying “The effects are lost, and I don’t know how to turn those on”. We welcomed our guests to Linux console, where they must clear /tmp/*, X, Gnome and Beryl related settings under /home/user. Believe me, this is really hard to describe, to a Windows user.
  • We got requests about random lockups. The cause is not known, and logs show nothing either. We were unable to solve those random freezes.
  • Some customers started to complain about slow network connectivity, we tried everything including router change, but unable to solve the problem. (Check the Google for Slow Network Connection, especially slow DNS resolution).
  • Almost all of my customers returned back, requesting deletion of Linux partition to recover space for Windows.
    </code></pre>

<p>Now, here’s the experience list:</p>

<pre><code>* Most of the Windows users don’t care security.

  • Most of the Windows users don’t care virusses or trojans.
  • Most of the Windows users don’t want to use commands.
  • Most of the Windows users want a stable system.
  • Most of the Windows users want to have “SOLVABLE PROBLEMS”.
  • Most of the Windows users want to play games.
  • Most of the Windows users are NOT idiots, they just want to make things easily.
  • If you recommend Linux as a stable Desktop OS, you will lose customers. We did.
  • If you recommend Linux as an operating system for everyday desktop use, you will find yourself in the hell of unsolvable problems.
  • We compared our experience with Windows to Linux, and the result is: Windows has superior exception management for debugging purposes. At most of the situations, you get an error message saying (nearly) what’s wrong.
    </code></pre>

<p>After all of these, our company decided to use Linux on only servers. We will not support Linux on desktop PC’s for a long time, until it is mature enough to be usable.</p>

<p>[Why</a> Linux sucks as a Desktop OS? Excessive](<a href=“http://excessive.■■■■■■■■■■■■■/2007/07/29/why-linux-sucks-as-a-desktop-os/]Why”>Why Linux sucks as a Desktop OS? | Excessive)</p>

<p>“You’re completely missing the point. ``The average humanities major’’ wouldn’t even try to install an OS. Most likely, they don’t even know what an OS, and don’t care.”

Sure you're missing the point. Linux is a failure on the desktop.

"People buy Macs because of the hardware, not the software. OS X is not that noticeable, but a MacBook is instantly recognizable, mostly because of that annoying logo. Tying the hardware to the software gave Apple an extra boost in marketing."

People buy Macs for a variety of reasons. Service. Hardware. Software. The industry that they work in. I know lots of people that buy them for the software. You need to get out a little more. These guys tend to be professional software engineers.

"All that ``stuff' is actually illegal under antitrust law. But with the right lawyers and enough bribery, you can get away with pretty much anything these days."

Then get your lawyers working on the case. If it really is illegal that is.

"But the desktop market? You aren't targeting the ``computing world'' in that case. You're targeting non-technical computer users. You will never get non-technical computer users to switch to Linux en masse, because they don't understand what software is. To them, a computer is a magic box. Like I said before, it's the hardware that has allowed Apple to establish itself as such an icon in mainstream society."</p>

<p>The vast majority of computer users just want something that works. Even many that are technically sophisticated want something where they have to spend a minimum of time maintaining their systems. If you have a lot of kids and each has their own computer, having to do regular maintenance on their systems becomes a chore. Something that just works makes dad’s life a lot easier if your kids aren’t CS majors.</p>

<p>A coworker has two daughters and he was literally reinstalling Windows once or twice a month on two systems that they used. He got sick of it and just replaced their Windows systems with Macs. The result is that dad has more time on the weekends. This guy is a consulting engineer with a long list of patents to his name and he’s been a software engineer since the early 1980s.</p>

<p>His time is worth a lot of money.</p>

<p>Getting back to the main point, YES, if your time is valuable.</p>

<p>“Try not to contradict yourself so much.”</p>

<p>No contradiction. The former is an observation for a large Fortune 100 company. Hardly anecdotal.</p>

<p>“The vast majority of computer users just want something that works. Even many that are technically sophisticated want something where they have to spend a minimum of time maintaining their system.”</p>

<p>Indeed.</p>

<p>

</p>

<p>I’ve been trying to stay out of these debates, since it’s largely subjective anyways, but I have to call out this one. What on earth makes it “extremely painful”? If anything OS X tends to make development easier.</p>

<p>If you know how to develop on Linux, you know how to develop on OS X. It can be almost exactly the same if you want - you don’t have to use Xcode at all. You can use Eclipse, or python, or even go old school and use GCC/Emacs/make/terminal. A lot of the same libraries are available, so code usually only needs some tweaking between OS X and Linux.</p>

<p>
[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

[/quote]
So you linked a random blog post from almost 2 years ago? That’s not exactly a current or reliable source.</p>

<p>
[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

A coworker has two daughters and he was literally reinstalling Windows once or twice a month on two systems that they used. He got sick of it and just replaced their Windows systems with Macs. The result is that dad has more time on the weekends. This guy is a consulting engineer with a long list of patents to his name and he’s been a software engineer since the early 1980s.

[/quote]
While you’re exaggerating the reinstall frequency, I’ll let it go since that’s irrelevant. The problem is that kids have no self-restraint and will just install whatever junk they find online. Easiest solution would’ve been to just give them a restricted account. Clearly this ``software engineer’’ isn’t too experienced with Windows.</p>

<p>
[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

His time is worth a lot of money.

[/quote]
Clearly his money is not worth a lot of money, or he would not have wasted $2000 when there was a simple software solution available to him.</p>

<p>
[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

Then get your lawyers working on the case.

[/quote]
Oh come on, are you really going to be this infantile?</p>

<p>
[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

If it really is illegal that is.

[/quote]
Microsoft has already been convicted in the past of antitrust law violations.</p>

<p>
[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

Sure you’re missing the point. Linux is a failure on the desktop.

[/quote]
And now we’re just going in circles. You make an unfounded claim, I call you out on it, you waffle for a while, and you then make the same claim again.</p>

<p>
[QUOTE=BCEagle91]

I’ve been trying to stay out of these debates, since it’s largely subjective anyways, but I have to call out this one. What on earth makes it “extremely painful”? If anything OS X tends to make development easier.

[/quote]
The GUI is infuriating. You cannot customize anything. The KDE defaults are horrible too, but I can change them, so I really couldn’t care less what the defaults are.</p>

<p>“So you linked a random blog post from almost 2 years ago? That’s not
exactly a current or reliable source.”</p>

<p>I’m sure that you’re aware of the problems. I just don’t understand
why you’re playing dumb.</p>

<p>“While you’re exaggerating the reinstall frequency, I’ll let it go
since that’s irrelevant. The problem is that kids have no
self-restraint and will just install whatever junk they find
online. Easiest solution would’ve been to just give them a restricted
account. Clearly this ``software engineer’’ isn’t too experienced with
Windows.”</p>

<p>This is what he told me.</p>

<p>Do you have teenagers?</p>

<p>He’s fine with developing on any platform. But he doesn’t want to be
an expert on security issues. Most people don’t. Even the best of
software engineers. They just want something that works with a minimal
amount of effort. And that’s worth the extra bucks for a Mac.</p>

<p>“Clearly his money is not worth a lot of money, or he would not have
wasted $2000 when there was a simple software solution available to
him.”</p>

<p>I guess that he’d just have to waste his time everytime they wanted
to install a piece of software.</p>

<p>“Oh come on, are you really going to be this infantile?”</p>

<p>Why do you continue to whine so much?</p>

<p>“Microsoft has already been convicted in the past of antitrust law
violations.”</p>

<p>Which is why they are extra careful now not to be.</p>

<p>“And now we’re just going in circles. You make an unfounded claim, I
call you out on it, you waffle for a while, and you then make the same
claim again.”</p>

<p>Surely you’re missing the point. I know that you already know it.
Linux is a failure on the desktop.</p>

<p>Linux on Netbooks a Failure? October 05, 2008 (10:00:00 PM) </p>

<p>A comment made by MSI’s Director of U.S. Sales Andy Tung in an interview with LaptopMag has raised the question if Linux is a failure on netbooks. He said that MSI Wind customers are 4x more likely to return a Wind netbook with Linux than with Windows XP installed.</p>

<p>5 Reasons that Linux is a failure
1: Returns of Linux netbooks are currently 4:1 against XP based netbooks.</p>

<pre><code>If ever there was a platform that was suited to all the claimed and perceived strengths of Tux, it would be the low powered, no frills world of the Netbook PC. Yet consumers, by a 4 to 1 margin, are picking XP based netbooks over their Linux counterparts. This failure to leverage an opportunity when Microsoft execution has been flawed, via Vista - illustrates how far behind Linux is. Linux can’t afford to let opportunities like this slip by, but by losing the early advantage in the emerging Netbook market, that is exactly what the Linux community is doing. Losing the Netbook market, which I feel is almost a certain thing to happen, could be a critical and fatal misstep for Linux, preventing it from ever becoming a serious contender in the OS “wars”. The emergence of Netbooks is the opportunity for Linux to establish itself as a serious contender to Microsoft, and even more importantly, to establish that the OS platform is not actually important. But at present, the Linux community is letting that opportunity pass it by, which is likely to be a far bigger blunder than any mistake Redmond made with the release of Vista.

2: The “Linux is leaner” argument is a myth.

I’ve been saying for awhile, I can get XP running far better on a Presario 305M “subnotebook” with 128mb of RAM and a 4gb hard-drive (call it a pre-netbook) than any distro of Linux, if I want comparable features. This is a 333mhz Celeron machine. Linux bloat is as bad - if not worse than XP.

3: Linux “Just Works” and is suitable for end users.

The most annoying thing about this is that XP “Just Works”, a familiar claim that Linux cannot deliver on this particular box. Linux may be able to be MADE to work on it - but, why would you hassle with the OS other than for the challenge and academic reasons? I recently acquired a EEE PC, and considered sticking with the Xandros distro on it. After trying to load a simple Mp4 video and having it fail to provide audio or video despite “playing” the file, I quickly removed *nix and added Win XP. I suppose I could have messed around with Xandros for hours, days or weeks to get it to work - but instead a “click yes to install” default XP installation resolved that, and likely many more problems. Normal people do not want to spend hours messing with fine tuning and tweaking their OS to get it to do something, merely for the achievement. They want to be doing it, transparently, without having to worry about the infrastructure that allows them to be productive.

4: Linux is more stable than Win32.

Now, this one is difficult to address. The Linux kernel itself is undoubtedly more stable than the Win32 kernel, even today. So if you’re content just running a CLI interface and simple non-graphical applications and utilities than run from the CLI, then Linux had an advantage. But once you add Xfree86, and then a Windows Manager, and then an application that runs under that Windows Manager, you’ve added 3 additional layers of complexity to that model of simplicity, and 3 times are many opportunities for instability. KDE applications are particularily grevious offenders, in my experience - but GIMP isn’t immune. Most users don’t differentiate between where a failure occurs. Hardware, Infrastructure, OS or Application. All they know is that if something goes wrong it disrupts their productivity. So, we can split hairs on this argument, but ultimately, the perception is what is important. If Open Office is constantly crashing with a SEV error or cannot load a file correctly doesn’t matter to the end user - and they certainly don’t care if the crash occurs at the OS level or at the particular application.

5: Linux is easier.

Ok… so, there isn’t anybody, even the die-hard Accolytes of the Temple of Linux, who are making this claim. But that is the problem. Linux isn’t easier. It isn’t even easy. Now, some Linux proponents are willing to try to spin this, and I give them an A for effort. “Linux is harder, but it is worth it”. There are various explaination for exactly what the “reward” is. It is liberating to be free of the Microsoft Yoke. It is socially responsible to support the ideals of the *nix community. It is mentally stimulating to use an OS that is challening - it broadens your technical skills and understanding, and countless others. The one that you won’t hear is that the reward is that you can quickly, simply and efficiently be up and running productively on any task you might endeavor to attempt. Unfortunately, that is the one that the average user is interested in, and the one that Linux can’t deliver. Thus, we see a 4:1 return ratio on Linux based netbooks and a mad rush among Netbook manufacturers to move away from customized Linux platforms to WinXP and even Vista.

With Netbooks forecast to be one of the hottest items this holiday season, with rumored deep discounting coming up this Black Friday, this really presented an opportunity for Linux to gain massive visibility into a previously largely uncracked market segment. But instead, it is more likely that this Black Friday and the following holiday season are instead going to see Microsoft dominante yet another platform while reducing Linux once again to a bit player. I’ve seen a growing lack of confidence for Linux throughout the tech community, an erosion of enthusiasim for the potential of this platform. Despite the buzz regarding cloud computing and the browser as an OS replacement - despite the arrival of powerful and useful personal convergence electronics like the iPhone, Android Phones and Netbooks - Linux has not been effective at leveraging these market changes. That failure to execute may be the swam-song of Linux - at least in regards to ever being a major player.

None of this means that Linux is inferior. But I don’t think it is superior, either. The thing is, Linux is better for some things, and worse for others. This seems lost on many Linux advocates. Linux is not a silver bullet. Far from it. In fact, Linux is highly specialized and very well tailored to very specific needs, but woefully disadvantaged at operating in the “mean”. Linux users seem to have a real chip on their shoulder and a inferiority complex that makes them tend to overcompensate. They revel in the fact that Linux is obscure, arcane, and requires a superior intellect. They revel in the fact that Linux is somewhat counter-culture and inaccessible to the masses. Yet, the feel that Linux should be all things to all people and they constantly seek affirmation by way of comparisson to other products. They inevitably find that Linux is “superior”, although it is quite clear that this requires a form of mental yoga that often defies rational thought. In the meantime, their aggressive, condenscending attitude to anyone that won’t drink their special Kool-Aid makes theirs one of the more unpleasant communities on the internet. I’m happy for those of you who enjoy Linux and take whatever benefit, real or imagined, physical or mental, from that action. I’m glad for Linux and the competition it brings to the marketplace. The fine line exists where Linux-reality approaches untruth, where tech-journalists who are also Linux advocates stretch and distort reality. I think the flurry of anti-Vista rhetoric over the last two years or so is an example of this. I don’t think the Linux community is alone in culpability for this, either. Apple is likely the biggest culprit, having aggressively promoted a highly popular and successful campaign that often stretches the limits of truth and honest advertising. In fact, the irony of the pot calling the kettle black in Apple Mac/PC ads have often been the most amusing part of that particular campaign. The sheer balls of Apple to implicate that a Mac has better peripheral support than Win32 (by indicating that the Mac speaks to a Japanese “camera” that the PC cannot speak with) is only eclipsed by an add that implicates that Microsoft is spending huge sums of money on advertising Vista that would be better spent on improving their product. I mean really, how much has the PC/Mac campaign cost APPLE over the last 5+ years, and how much better would their product be if they had put that money into R&D? The PC/Mac ads have launched Hollywood careers, for Christ’s sake. How come rational people can’t see through the logical inconsistency of a prime-time commercial taking another company to task for running prime-time commercials? Especially a company that encourages people to think independently and critically. I’m Jack’s amused grin.

Now, really, I think it is becoming readily more apperant that Vista has turned a corner recently, and that parallels between Vista and XP (adoption, lifecycle and stability) are appropriate and fitting. The reason I chose to post this at Tech Republic, and in this particular format, should be obvious. There are certain segments of this industry that don’t want to see the anti-Vista rhetoric die away. But the fact is, Linux has every reason and interest in acting just a ruthless and cut-throat in promoting Linux adoption as Mac or Microsoft. To that end, just like a political campaign, there is a large incentive to tarnishing the reputation of your opponent while over-estimating the value of your own (Candidate or product). That is really a fitting analogy. Both a poltical campaign and an advertising campaign have the same
goals; to convince someone to pick one choice over another. But to those who are the target of these campaigns, it is always important to maintain a truly critical perspective and to have a nose for the hyperbole, exaggerations, and outright lies. In particular when any campaign turns “dirty”. In the case of Linux, when you look beyond the hyperbole, exaggerations and outright lies, the numbers and facts - in the case of netbooks - tell a very important and undeniable truth. Average consumers, for some reason or another, are rejecting Linux in this segment, by what appears to be a SIGNIFICANT margin. Now, no doubt some of the returns are based on people expecting a true laptop experience from a Netbook and being disappointed by the netbook experience. The early perponderence of Linux based netbooks probably means that the returns of Linux based netbooks are going to be skewed further. Regardless, a quick browse at Amazon or Tiger Direct shows that XP has quickly gained on Linux in the netbook segment, and 4:1 returns still indicate that a significant reason for this disparity is Linux itself. The very fact that vendors and manufacturers have so quickly adopted XP in the netbook segment would serve to illustrate that there is demand for XP and dissatisfaction with Linux in this market. The prospective Linux convert should weigh THAT factor very seriously before considering a change. Based on this fact, a prospective Linux convert should be skeptical of the claims made about the opposition. Based on all of that, it is crucial that potential Linux converts research their consideration seriously, carefully weighing all factors, before they jump. As we head into the holiday season, unless you are familiar with Linux, I would recommend that you do NOT make the jump into Linux with a brand new netbook purchase, at the very least. The numbers show that if you do, you are liable to become an unsatisfied statistic.
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<p>90% of netbooks sold use Windows XP say Acer & Toshiba</p>

<p>Acer and Toshiba have revealed that more than 90-percent of their netbooks - the Aspire One and the Satellite NB100 - are sold with Windows XP rather than one of the compact Linux builds that are offered on the budget ultraportables. Dell, too, have confirmed that Windows XP sales have achieved similar dominance in netbooks as they have in the traditional PC space, while ASUS has shifted its Eee PC development priorities in response to the consumer demand.</p>

<p>The news will likely come as a disappointment to open-source enthusiasts, who had harbored hopes that the wider availability of Linux as a pre-loaded OS would popularize it with the general public. However earlier reports suggested that Linux netbooks were more likely to be returned than their Windows counterparts, as users were unable to get to grips with the unfamiliar OS.</p>

<p>[90%</a> of netbooks sold use Windows XP say Acer & Toshiba - SlashGear](<a href=“90% Of Netbooks Sold Use Windows XP Say Acer & Toshiba - SlashGear”>90% Of Netbooks Sold Use Windows XP Say Acer & Toshiba - SlashGear)</p>

<p>Linux is a commercial failure
If you buy a Dell computer with Linux preinstalled, you get two benefits:</p>

<pre><code>* The computer is about $50 cheaper than the equivalent Windows computer

  • The computer’s hardware is known to work with Linux
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<p>Despite this, for every Dell computer with Linux preinstalled sold, there are some 150 Windows computers sold. Yes, guys, less than 1 percent of people who purchase Dell computers chose to use Linux instead of Windows. [1]</p>

<p>What does this mean? It means no one wants to use Linux on the desktop.</p>

<p>Now, I am aware how Linux fanboys think. Before you try and post the usual “But those statistics are wrong” spiel, other statistics say pretty much the same thing; browser stats at web sites; Loki’s failure; etc. If you want to question these statistics, do so with solid evidence showing that more than, oh, 5 percent of desktop users using Linux. And don’t waste my time with “Me and my three buddies all use Linux” antecedents. [2]</p>

<p>[MaraDNS:</a> Linux is a commercial failure](<a href=“http://maradns.blogspot.com/2008/07/linux-is-commercial-failure.html]MaraDNS:”>Musings about MaraDNS and technology)</p>

<p>Linux for home users - stop the hype!
April 14th, 2008</p>

<p>I’m an open source advocate who has been using Ubuntu for the past three years and just bought my first Linux-preinstalled computer (with Xandros instead of Ubuntu, but that’s okay), but I hate it when people hype up Linux to Windows users. I’m not talking about Linux for embedded devices or Linux for web servers. I’m talking about Linux for home users—what some call “Desktop Linux” (although the demographic seems to include laptop users as well).</p>

<p>Hyping up Linux is counterproductive. I’m an active member of the Ubuntu Forums and have seen too many “I’m going back to Windows” threads started by disgruntled potential migrants from Windows who were oversold on Linux by these “let’s hype up Linux” articles and blogs. Shame on the bloggers/writers. If you want to migrate people over to Linux successfully, you should be honest about the pros and cons, appreciate the good points Windows has to offer, and concede the difficulties people may face during migration.</p>

<p>The most important point to hammer home to potential new users is that Linux is not a drop-in replacement for Windows. Sadly, it is usually only after potential migrants get disgruntled that the Linux users say, “Yeah, Linux isn’t Windows!” Well, if you’d said that in the first place, people wouldn’t have had their unrealistic expectations shattered. They would have just stuck with Windows as they should have. </p>

<p>[Ubuntucat</a> » Blog Archive » Linux for home users - stop the hype!](<a href=“http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/linux-for-home-users-stop-the-hype/]Ubuntucat”>Linux for home users – stop the hype! – Ubuntucat)</p>

<p>Why Microsoft tends to win
By Mike on January 26, 2009 2:51 PM | 3 Comments | No TrackBacks
Robin Harris makes some good points about why Windows is winning the netbook market, and why it looks like it’s a done deal that Linux has lost there. When I was at the Microsoft Developer Conference in Reston, they were quick to point out that they are fighting tooth and nail for this market with Windows 7 (which is already showing good signs on these devices) and so far they are succeeding.</p>

<p>The sad fact is that desktop Linux is a failure. The success cases are all statistical outliers. Every new year is supposed to be the “year of desktop Linux,” but each has come and gone without much fanfare. In the next two to three years, with MacOS X 10.6 and Windows 7, this will be painfully apparent to most people who would have considered desktop Linux. Both Apple and Microsoft are playing hardball with resources and a competitive edge that no part of the groups developing “desktop Linux” seem to be able to match.</p>

<p>[Why</a> Microsoft tends to win - Code Monkey Ramblings](<a href=“http://www.codemonkeyramblings.com/2009/01/why-microsoft-tends-to-win/]Why”>http://www.codemonkeyramblings.com/2009/01/why-microsoft-tends-to-win/)</p>

<p>I don’t want to derail the conversation any more, but:</p>

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<p>Sorry, I still don’t get it. What GUI? Finder? (the program that essentially works like explorer on windows)? I agree that the finder GUI is pretty defective at a lot of things, but I don’t see any being a serious impediment for developers. XCode? You can customize the keyboard shortcuts and that’s usually all most programmers want, and you’re not forced to use Xcode anyways. And Emacs is Emacs, whether you’re running it on OS X or Linux, and ditto for any other package that’s the same on both.</p>

<p>There are tons of legitimate complaints about OS X - I have my own giant laundry list of OS X pet peeves, personally - but it being a poor development platform is really stretching it, IMHO.</p>

<p>In response to the OP:
definitely no</p>

<p>by the way, Windows 7 has an extremely, extremely similar interface to OSX (much improved from Vista, and the speed boost doesn’t hurt)</p>