<p>Is there a distinction between the "Ivy" Cornell and the state funded or are they all "Ivy." My parents are convinced that Cornell is divided into Ivy and non-Ivy. I am convinced that all of Cornell is Ivy. Who is right.</p>
<p>you are right</p>
<p>The contract colleges at Cornell aren’t state schools; they’re private and as much a part of Cornell as the endowed colleges. It’s just that the state gives the contract colleges money in order to encourage people to study the subjects that are offered in those schools. </p>
<p>There’s a longer explanation in the stickied post at the top of this forum.</p>
<p>Cornell’s relationship is unique. New York State gives money to a private institution to fulfill educational needs for specific industries - everything from farming to nanotechnology - and is trusting enough to have no say in how that money is allocated. </p>
<p>Since being “Ivy” simply means being in a sports conference, would students in contract colleges have to play on different teams under your parents’ beliefs? I’ve never understood that argument.</p>
<p>Can this question be banned from now on? It’s just dumb. It is probably slightly harder to get into the private colleges and the private colleges are probably generally more prestigious (i.e. engineering).</p>
<p>But that doesn’t really matter. Penn is less prestigious and less difficult to get into than Yale, but it’s still Ivy League. All colleges within Cornell are part of Cornell which is part of the Ivy League.</p>
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<p>BUT, people who make this “sports conference” argument are just being naive. Most people have no idea the Ivy League is officially a sports conference. They consider it a prestigious group of elite Northeastern school that epitomize academic excellence. So when they ask, “Is it Ivy?”, they’re referring to its inclusion in this prestigious academic club.</p>
<p>noncontract doesn’t > contract. its not more prestigious, its about the same. the agriculture program in cals is one of the top ranked in the world.</p>
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<p>As a person in the ‘sports conference’ camp, I don’t think we are being naive. I think we are just pointing out to the lay public that the only major thing distinguishing a school like Penn (or Cornell) from Northwestern (or Hopkins) in the eyes of the public is a sports conference.</p>
<p>I don’t understand the stigma the contract colleges carry… Nor do I understand how someone can pretend like CALS is equivalent to a SUNY school. Last time I checked, it’s on the same campus, has access to the same resources that CAS does, the only difference really is that they get money from the state to reduce tuition. Big deal.</p>
<p>How exactly does that make it a lesser school?</p>
<p>It depends on who you ask. </p>
<p>Just be sure not to ask Ann Coulter.</p>
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<p>actually this is the main difference…</p>
<p>i think cals has the second lowest acceptance rate? not sure… also has a joint biology program with CAS (literally almost no difference except for core requirements), one of the top agriculture programs in the US, and one of the top undergrad business programs in the US. there is no difference between endowed and non endowed colleges, not even in selectivity (except that they choose more students from ny state).</p>
<p>the degree says cornell university and doesnt even say your college on it.</p>
<p>I think they were talking about making the land grant colleges into fully endowed colleges (especially since NYS doesn’t really provide that much money to the schools anymore). Most NY residents probably don’t like this idea.</p>
<p>turning them into fully endowed colleges wouldnt be such a bad idea…and would ease the burden on SUNY schools…</p>
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<p>What I’m saying is the “lay public” has no idea the Ivy League is a sports conference. When they use the term Ivy League, they have no idea it’s a sports conference. They use it as short term for “small group of prestigious Northeastern colleges”.</p>
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<p>Right, and what I am saying is that as a snot-nose, arrogant, and presumptuous Ivy alum, I am correcting their misunderstanding. Because no sports conference could be considered prestigious with Brown as a member.</p>
<p>There’s people out there that insist Cornell as a whole isn’t Ivy League. Does it matter?</p>
<p>No, it doesn’t. Let them carry out their petty lifes in wallowing in the pit of ignorance.</p>
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<p>But, dontno, what we are dealing with on this thread is not the “lay public”. I’ve run into people in the lay public who ask, “What’s an Ivy League?” No one cares about that.</p>
<p>We are dealing with parents of a prospective Cornell student. Such parents should educate themselves about a school before they or their child through loans (presumably) drop tens of thousands of dollars on an education either at Cornell or at another school potentially because they actively turned their child away from a world-class education based on a false belief.</p>
<p>If anyone, such parents considering an investment of this scale should know the Ivy League is, first and foremost, an athletic conference.</p>
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<p>What you say is correct. On this thread, we’re not dealing with the lay public. Cornell parents also aren’t the lay public. But that’s irrelevant. When they go to their neighborhood meeting and someone asks them where their kid goes to school, that’s a person in the lay public. When the kids go get a job in Ohio, their employer is part of the “lay public”. The people one wishes to impress with the term “Ivy League” are almost invariably part of the lay public and thus consider the Ivy League not a sports conference but a “small group yada yada”.</p>
<p>So I don’t mind if a parent wants to drop a ton of money for just a sports conference. Her hairsylist, accountant, neighborhood gossip, and her son’s potential employer see Ivy League and associate it almost exclusively with prestige, not sports.</p>
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<p>If you are insulting Brown as an academic institution that was entirely unnecessary and a bit ridiculous. Brown is an excellent institution on par with cornell in most academic disciplines that they both have. If you were referring to sports prowess I’d like to remind you that Brown beat us and the rest of the ivy league in football this year. I realize your comment is meant as a joke, but many people will miss that and it reflects badly on Cornell.</p>
<p>Now if you’re referring to Brown’s grade inflation you may have a point >_></p>