Asking for a friend for her undergrad.
Where can we find the stats for how competitive per school, and avg stats, etc, for MD/PhD applicants?
thanks
Are there any stats regarding number of MD/PhD applicants vs acceptances per schools that have MSTP?
You could figure it out using this table: https://www.aamc.org/download/321544/data/factstable33.pdf and parsing out the MSTP schools using this list: http://www.nigms.nih.gov/Training/InstPredoc/Pages/PredocInst-MSTP.aspx
Edit: damn, technically that’s still not right since the first table is matriculants, not acceptances. If your friend is trying to put together a list of schools, I recommend weeding out the ones in places the kid would never live in for 8 years and then looking up each school’s stats individually on its program’s website.
EDIT 2: the one cool stat you can get from that table is that the general MD/PhD acceptance rate for 2014 was 626/1891 or 33%, in contrast to the MD rate of 20343/49480 or 41%.
@iwannabe_Brown Thanks
That “cool stat” might be encouraging, but with the self-selection going on, I imagine that most of those 1891 are amazing to being with.
I’ve always thought of MSTP programs as being fully-funded, but on one website it listed on some schools as being fully funded. Some seem to only fund those who start out in their MD programs, and then got accepted into MD/PhD, and some seemed to only have partial funding.
This student is particularly enamored with UCLA and Stanford, but it doesn’t look like either is fully funded, unless I’m misunderstanding…which is very possible. 
Hey, there’s a vet school on that list.
It’s interesting that some schools had applicants, but no matriculants. I wonder if those had been hoping for funding approval and it didn’t happen?
Yikes! Stanford! only 2% acceptance rate. I can’t imagine what those students’ stats/resumes looked like.
What determines the number that a school will have matriculate (I’m guessing that they also will pull from a WL if necessary)
MD/PhD programs are still heavy male.
It’s interesting to look at the numbers. Surprised that USC Keck doesn’t matriculate more.
how come Brown’s numbers are 0?
I’d like to see the stats of those admitted or matriculated.
Stanford has 2% admit rate also for MDs.
MSTPs at Stanford seem to be fully funded.
Thanks @texaspg this other website was confusing about Stanford’s funding
http://mdphd.gpp.nih.gov/prospectiveStudents/mstpProg.asp
@mom2collegekids
that link is about GPP (Graduate Partnership Program) not the MSTP.
@mom2collegekids oh yeah, I didn’t mean the stat as encouraging, I just had never noticed the number before whereas I’ve had the 40-45% number in my head for MD for a while.
I’m not sure if penn’s vet school is truly “on the list” or it’s just a quirk given the number of MSTP training PIs are in the vet school.
Brown is at 0 because they don’t have a true, formal MD/PhD program. After you matriculate to Alpert you can apply to do a PhD as well.
Obviously matriculation rates are going to be lower than admit rates although the difference will be lower at the higher ranked programs.
@plumazul I’m not sure I understand. Doesn’t the link go to MSTP? I’m confused. lol
@mom2collegekids, No. It’s not talking about the MSTP programs at the given schools. The link you posted in post 6 is about a program that allows people earning their PhD at the NIH to get funded for medical school (like MSTP students get funded) on top of what the NIH provides, which is only 21k/year. It isn’t actually “the MSTP program” at a given school. It appears that some schools will fund you the same as if you’re doing their MSTP (the green ones), some only provide partial funding (e.g. stanford, which requires that you be previously enrolled at Stanford med school before applying to do your PhD at the NIH in contrast to Harvard or Stony Brook), and some provide no funding to such students.
You needed this link (emphasis added): http://med.stanford.edu/mstp/admissions/faq.html
ahh…thanks!
What would you say the target and minimum stats should be? (using old MCAT scoring)
Hard to really answer those super accurately. Minimum is probably not that different from MD only. If the research background is strong enough they’ll easily go down to 3.2/30. I would say the target GPA/MCAT for MSTPs is 3.8/37 +/- 0.1/1
There seem to be some charts here.
That’s all MD/PhD programs though, not just the MSTPs.
There’s some good stats on this page that are very typical of MSTPs in general (at least for the big names) :-B
@plumazul Wash U is a top 5 program though. Do you see similar numbers at most programs? I just can’t imagine 2 years of research holds true at most places.
IWWB - What proportion of MD/PhDs do you believe are not part of MSTP?
Since you asked @texaspg, I went through the actual AAMC list and I guess I never thought about the fact that even though the number of MSTP schools is the minority, they are the larger programs so in fact, MSTP students are the vast majority of MD/PhD students (456/626 or 73%). Therefore, I think the AAMC data is a pretty good proxy for MSTP.
No, I definitely can imagine that being true at most MSTPs - def fits with my program which is not in the top 5.
Thank you!
Thanks IWBB for doing the research!
So what is the point of doing 2 years of research first before joining a PhD (I am assuming two full years)? So it sounds more like a 10 year program with a two year dedication upfront without expecting a return?