Article about Student Loans

<p>Well, it’s okay for you to be skeptical about whether or not governement gauranteed loans are driving up the cost of a post-secondary degree. I could certainly be wrong. It wouldn’t be the first time and if I am, though I really don’t think I am, then it won’t be the last. However, you are focused on that issue. MY focus is on the misleading practice of packaging student loans with the finaincial aid package, as if loans are financial aid for the student, which they are NOT. Again, they are financial aid for the schools. </p>

<p>Also, I believe that 20,000 is a steep debt for a kid graduating with an undergrad degree, particularly in the humanities…(Note screen name. BIG fan of the humanities, btw)…and I really do believe students should make every effort to graduate without debt. Including going to community colleges and state schools, where necessary. But, even state schools have become too expensive for a kid to afford on thier own. I have some thoughts about that, vis-a-vis, a better funded public university system…</p>

<p>However, my original point is simply that it is misleading to give kids the impression that loans are financial aid. Loans, as mom of three so simply stated, are loans.</p>

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<p>Of course, the student loan amounts don’t include what the parents are borrowing to subsidize Junior’s college education. What I haven’t seen are stories of parents who have over-borrowed. Actually, I am a bit surprised that we haven’t heard such stories…</p>

<p>Yes, but how many parents are going to report that they got in over their heads for a rear window sticker! There is no excuse for adult stupidity.</p>

<p>sklvr-- I noticed on the thread entitled Loans! that you are advising a kid on how to access 14,000 per YEAR in loans. I think you have a different agenda. That is not 20,000 at the end of 4 years. That is 56,000 dollars.</p>

<p>poetgrl–I don’t recall such a post or claim. Can you post the link?</p>

<p>You’re right. It was sk8ermom. I misrad cuz I had you on my mind. Please accept my massive and huge apology. I was absolutely wrong!</p>

<p>No problem, poetgrl.</p>

<p>These huge loan obligations coupled with the lousy job market is a terrifying problem facing many. I know several top students who have tried hard but still haven’t found a paying summer job. As mentioned in the article, we’ve bailed out the rich bankers, why not the kids overwhelmed with college debt? On top of college debt, think of the added debt burden on kids from Obama’s “stimulus” programs. Unless the economy improves soon with plenty of high-pay jobs, this debt situation is going to get really ugly. </p>

<p>One thing that may help kids now in college, and those of the future, would be for the govt to provide tuition-free education at govt/state colleges, where the financial hardships seem greater. Government grade schools and high schools are already tuition-free to students, why not the govt/state colleges? Wouldn’t society benefit from college graduates unburdened with tremendous loan debt?</p>

<p>California has tuition-free public post secondary education. But the FEES will kill you. :)</p>

<p>^^sure, but the jucos are really cheap for two years.</p>

<p>^Absolutely true! Going to a CC, living at home, transferring to a UC or CSU after 2 years is a bargain way to get a college degree.</p>

<p>The problem isn’t the loans and it isn’t the institutions. The problem is the students and parents who REFUSE to read the award packets and REFUSE to follow the advise of honest and caring Financial Aid Adminstrators.</p>

<p>Federal regulations require that schools which offer Stafford Loans post those loan eligibilities on the award letter. Schools list them as LOANS. The Entrance Counseling, which is federaly required prior to any student being able to take out the LOAN, provides detailed information on repayment, estimates on repayment, default aversion, forbearance information, etc. Schools are FORBIDDEN from disbursing student loans unless the Entrance Counseling has been completed. The schools cannot be held accountable because the students REFUSE to read the information thoroughly.</p>

<p>When the student graduates, or prematurely withdraws from school, they are required to complete exit counseling that goes over the same information about repayment, forbearance, deferrment, default aversion, etc. Again, it is not the school or the system’s fault if the students are not reading the information thoroughly. </p>

<p>With my students, our award packages clearly explain the free funding and the loan funding. We clearly indicate how much each student needs to meet actual cost (not just the exaggerated COA). We even make them single out the loan money they are requesting…not just putting check marks by each line but an actual area on the award what asks them to list the loan amount they are requesting. I cannot tell you how many students and parents continuously take out the maximum loan amounts allowed under federal regualtions when they do not need the extra money.</p>

<p>We also have a policy in place where every student requesting a private loan is contacted to ensure they understand the ramifications. We point out the free aid and Stafford Loans they have already received and that this extra funding is not necessary. I had one student…with a 0 EFC. He was receiving FULL Pell and took all $12,500 of his Stafford Loans. Between the Pell and the loans, he had at least $7,000 more than he needed for actual cost. Within days of him receiving the first of his excess funds, he submitted a request for an additioal $10,000 in private loan funding. When I personally spoke to him and thoroughly explained what this would mean, he was dumbfounded. When I told him about the higher interest rates and extremely large loan payments he would be making, he sighed and said…oh well. When I explained I would send him an email detailing the information, and wanted him to “really think hard about this” he demanded I put him through to my boss. He told my boss I was being a “B” and demanded we process his $10k. The following year…same situation. Two years later, when he gets his exit counseling information and realizes he owes $25,000 in Stafford Loans and $20,000 in private loans, he went ballistic. Wonder why?? Especially since he only needed about $16,000 in Pell and loans combined to cover 100% of his cost. Its now 8 months later…he’s been in repayment for 2 months and is already listed as at risk for default by his lender. </p>

<p>This is only one of several hundred each year that I process who DEMAND the maximum allowed by the federal government. Add in my graduate students, who only need an estimated $20,000 for their entire MBA program or $12,000 for the entire MED program who demand the full $20,500 each year in loans. Some who have 100% reimbursement even whine and complain when their award package doens’t include the full $20,500 (because between the rembursement and the award, their full COA is covered).</p>

<p>Remember, they may be 18-22 but they are ADULTS. It’s time everyone starts holding them accountable for their own actions…and reading their financial aid paperwork is THEIR responsibility. Financial Aid Administrators can only do so much to educate the students…after that, it is THEIR responsibility. Maybe more parents can begin the harsh discussion before HS graduation…so they realize that they MUST read everything they get from the Financial Aid Office.</p>

<p><strong><em>APPLAUSE</em></strong>*
Very well said. We have the same issues with our students … and the ones who max out their $57,500 in Staffords before they are done with their degrees demand Perkins loans. I oppose any form of bail-out for student loans. I have seen too much of what NiikkiL cites.</p>

<p>We have entrance counseling, we offer workshops on money management, we do what we can to educate our students … but when they ignore everything that is put before them, I can’t feel sorry for them. There is an obligation on the part of the student to keep the borrowing to a minimum … because a LOAN does indeed need to be REPAID in the end.</p>

<p>I don’t blame financial aid counselors. It’s hardly as if the counselors set the policy of including the loans as “aid.” There are others, the banks, for example, and the administration, also, who probably have a different agenda. The banks, for sure, have a different agenda. I am, however, glad to hear somebody is at least discouraging all this heavy borrowing.</p>

<p>In this country we make a justifiable big deal about freedom, yet many families and students are blind to the sacrificed choices they will face following graduation saddled with student debt. Some students unfortunately have no choice but to take on some student loan. But for others it is a matter of choice, usually to attend that “dream college” which may not be “dreamer” than many others costing significantly less.</p>

<p>Our son made mature decisions as a hs senior and was able to graduate from RPI with about $30,000 left in his initial $76,000 college fund. And yes he had a mighty dreamy time in his 4 college years.</p>