<p>Does anyone know the Asian American Admission Rate ? Is this data available to the public ? </p>
<p>For 35,000 applicants, and 2,000 class size</p>
<p>If Asian Americans are 25% of the Applicant pool and 14% of the Incoming Class, then the admission rate will be near 3.2%, while the overall rate is 5.7%.</p>
<p>In other words, the Asian American admission rate will be just over HALF the overall admission rate.</p>
<p>Overall rate is 6.2%.
Racial admission rate is usually almost the same as the division in the applicant pool/public, not sure which. Anyway if 14% of the applicant pool was Asian American then they’d also have a 6.2% admissions rate. It’s not significantly higher or lower for any race if I’m not mistaken.</p>
I think it is ‘public’. Isn’t this also the basis of 'affirmative action? Nobody seems to know the racial data of applicant pool. my experience has been, it is as difficult for a white to gain admission to harvard (or HYPe) as an asian american to gain admission into a top school that does not exercise the affirmative action. For an asian american to be admitted to HYPe it is doubly difficult. Unless the racial data is made known, it is not possible to know exactly how much more competition the asian applicants face. The affirmative action suppresses asian american admissions. Just look at the Yale number (Fall 2009) … 69% white, 14% asian american, 9% african american, 8% Hispanic … I wouldn’t be surprised if the proportion of applicants is more than double the proportion of this incoming class for asian americans. for the highschool where my children attended (a very competitive public school), i sort of know when the next harvard admission will happen – it will be when the valedictorian is a non-asian american. Wish the data on the number of applicants according to race is available. Then it will be easier to assess the competition.</p>
<p>Are Indian subcontinents considered in the same pool as Asian Americans? is it easier or harder for an Indian subcontinent to get into HYPD & such schools than it is a “true” Asian ?
What about just not listing ethnicity? Would that possibly affect the admission for an Asian americna.</p>
You aren’t factoring yield. Harvard’s is like 75% or so. Don’t know what racial variations would be, if there were any.</p>
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I would imagine that it is extraordinarily difficult for a subcontinent to gain admission to a university. Bright side is, I bet they’re underrepresented.</p>
Well, lets first get the zeroth order number. Then we can fine tune for more accuracy. So, forget those 1st or 2nd order factors like yield variations or even applicant’s average stat.</p>
<p>What would be the closest Asian American’s Admission Rate: 1%, 2%, 3%, 4%, or 5% ?
I say 3%.</p>
<p>It is a big mistake to focus on this to try to calculate your personal odds. No matter who you are, your odds of getting in are low. People try to quantify it in order to feel some sense of control over the process. You can’t control it. It will just torture you if you try. Do your best in high school, hope for admission, expect a denial, and leave it at that.</p>
<p>^ Agreed. My test scores landed me below the 50th percentile and I was probably ranked 10th or so in my graduating class – eventually matriculating at a H peer college. Imagine that. Me, a Chinese American kid – and NOT with blistering SATs and getting into several Ivies and top engineering programs applied – no rejections.</p>
<p>I believe I got into all the schools because I had a unique story – was a top student leader in an predom African American HS. I’m sure there were tons of Asians w/better scores than mine. But I guess my story mattered more than my SATs to the Ivies to which I applied.</p>
<p>Being on this other side of the table now, I see many high performing Asian kids applying (along with many non-Asians of course). Some appear to be interesting, others don’t. The question is whether there’s something interesting, along with having top notch academics, that will grab the admissions readers. That’s the real key to it all.</p>
<p>without this affirmative action and screening by race, asian americans could be 25-30%, not 14%, a tremendous difference which makes so many asian american applicants cry year after year on the decision day. the asian american applicants take the brunt of the share of this admission AA, an unfair bs if you ask me.</p>
<p>toughyear: No need to rehash the oft- discussed “poor me, AA hurts me”.</p>
<p>You can think it’s BS or whatever. The fact is the top colleges are the so-called “top colleges” because they carefully craft their incoming classes to be a good mixture to the benefit of the entire student body. Want to see a completely meritocratic admissions system? Well guess what. About 80% of American colleges admit students solely by merit. </p>
<p>But what rubs us wrong is that very few of those 80% are in the top 10%. Kinda ironic, no?</p>
<p>Should HYPSM to admit solely by merit? Then why shouldn’t their reputations plummet? Do we think that their formulae to date has failed them?</p>
<p>Sorry. I don’t see it like that. </p>
<p>Is it screening by race? I say it’s a multitude of non-unique applicants. How many Chinese or Indian, violin and/or piano and tennis playing math/sci whizzes with SATs north of 2100 does my local school district puts out? Tons.</p>
<p>But even as you read my stereotype, I know that you can probably think of a half dozen kids who fit that description in your kid’s own school. Do you see why that’s not appealing to schools like HYP? It’s not that they’re Asian per se – it’s that they are so uniform. Sure they are high achieving. And they’ll be rewarded for that with solid collegiate educations and good careers afterward. But that doesn’t automatically qualify them for the most difficult admissions in the country.</p>
<p>My half-Chinese, half-Italian straight A daughter will have a legacy at one of the HYPs. If she makes it, great. If not, still great. I’ve been recruiting for over 20 years and I witness to legions of great kids turned down. If my alma mater turns her down, we’ll be disappointed. But I’ll turn around the next year and be recruiting just as hard and donating just as much.</p>
<p>Um, no you won’t. Probably. I don’t know anyone whose relationship with a college as continued unchanged after rejection of a qualified child. Too tough. You can understand why it happens, not feel anything was unfair, and it still turns everything to dust. An unqualified child who doesn’t apply is a different thing.</p>
<p>Nice sentiment, though. I wish it were true for me, and maybe someday it will be. But not soon. And for my wife, never. Her relationship with our alma mater basically ended April 1, 2007.</p>
<p>Maybe I’m being naive. But from my years of recruiting, I can clearly see my kid making it or not making it. While I can hope, I know that, assuming all things being equal, my kid has still a smallish chance. I think I’m settled with that. I dunno.</p>
<p>Last year’s numbers for MIT were provided by an admissions officer, and showed Asians being admitted at a rate higher than their proportion in the applicant pool. Asians accounted for 26 percent of applicants… and 30 percent of acceptances. For comparison, something like 19 percent of applicants were black/Hispanic and this accounted for 24 percent of acceptances. Apparently whites, not Asians, had the lowest rate of admission relative to number of applications.</p>
<h1>The following is the Wikipedia description about the “Jewish quota”. Substitute every word “Jewish” by “Asian” and the same description works fairly well for Today’s situation of Asian American students applying for College.</h1>
<p>Jewish quota was a percentage that limited the number of Jews in various establishments. In particular, in 19th and 20th centuries some countries had Jewish quotas for higher education, a special case of Numerus clausus.</p>
<p>Jewish educational quotas could be state-wide law or adopted only in certain institutions, often unofficially. The limitation took the form of total prohibition of Jewish students, or of limiting the number of Jewish students so that their share in the students’ population would not be larger than their share in the general population. In some establishments, the Jewish quota placed a limit on growth rather than set a fixed level of participation to be achieved.</p>
<p>According to historian David Oshinsky, on writing about Jonas Salk, “Most of the surrounding medical schoolsCornell, Columbia, Pennsylvania, and Yalehad rigid quotas in place. In 1935 Yale accepted 76 applicants from a pool of 501. About 200 of those applicants were Jewish and only five got in.” He notes that the dean’s instructions were remarkably precise: “Never admit more than five Jews, take only two Italian Catholics, and take no blacks at all.” As a result, Oshinsky added, “Jonas Salk and hundreds like him …” enrolled in NYU instead.[1]</p>
<p>Jews who wanted an education used various ways to overcome this discrimination: bribing the authorities, changing their religion, or traveling to countries without such limitations. In Hungary, for example, 5,000 Jewish youngsters (including Edward Teller) left the country after the introduction of Numerus Clausus. One American who fell victim to the Jewish quota was late physicist and Nobel laureate Richard P. Feynman, who was turned away from Columbia College in the 1930s and went to MIT instead.</p>
<p>The college-admissions myth has always served colleges above all. While things have improved since the days of Jewish quotas,** it’s obvious that Asian students and women bear the brunt of discrimination today.** “Development admits” can still be bought, and college officials are remarkably adept at condemning the annual admissions hysteria while using it to enhance the wealth and prestige of their institutions.</p>
<p>This very likely won’t change until the weight of disappointment becomes overwhelming. Harvard rejected over 32,000 people this year, almost 94 percent of those who applied. What happens when the number grows to 100,000 or more? When do minuscule acceptance rates stop being something to boast about and start becoming signs of archaic, insulated, overly wealthy institutions that are badly out of step with their times?</p>
<p>Or someone might give Big Frank what he’s looking for: actual information about college quality. The admissions myth is recursive and self-sustaining: Everybody wants to go where everybody else wants to go. It thrives in a vacuum of consumer information that might give everybody an irrefutable reason to go somewhere else. If that information arrives, those who rely on the old stories are in for a long fall, indeed.</p>
<p>“What happens when the number grows to 100,000 or more?”</p>
<p>Nothing. What’s the difference between 32,000 and 100,000? Each individual denied admission is only worried about him/herself. If anything, having lots of company may make him feel *better *about the rejection, not worse. The lower the admit rate, the more likely students are to understand that there isn’t room for all the terrific candidates. Being denied from a school with a 60% admit rate…now THAT really stings.</p>
<p>Toughyear: the issues you bring forth are very complex. But this statement “What happens when the number grows to 100,000 or more?” puzzles me.</p>
<p>It’s said as if the solution was to admit more students (in order to raise the admit rate). But how is this possible? There are physical limits to each class. There are plans to expand the school but that reaches near a billion dollars to enact (see Yale’s plan to expand for more detail). All the while, HYP’s star won’t shine any less and more and more kids will apply – and the admit rate will still creep lower.</p>
<p>“When do minuscule acceptance rates stop being something to boast about and start becoming signs of archaic, insulated, overly wealthy institutions that are badly out of step with their times?”</p>
<p>To me, they are indicative of how much “name brand” shopping in higher education is sweeping across the world.</p>
<p>^ & ^^, sorry folks. The paragraphs are not mine, they are in the linked article. </p>
<p>As to what happens when app exceeds 100,000? The general admission rate will fall to under 3% and the Asian American admission rate to under 1.5% (IMO). I will advise my kid not to bother applying to these insane schools, but rather focus on long term goals and colleges that make sense for the goals. [as an aside, it is unfortunate that many with connection to this region are so selfish individually that they don’t see it as an issue that is much bigger than themselves. they are the first to come out and shout down. haha]</p>