<p>Can anyone provide the community with hard evidence proving this fact? It's hard to believe that America can be so racist. In China you don't see schools favoring URMs (like peoples other than Hans, which are the majority of the Chinese population). While URMs get a 10-point boost in their Gaokao, they are still seen as numbers in the entire admissions process, and even during the rare American-based admissions when the admissions commitee of a few universities would holistically consider an applicant - much like the process in American colleges - the applicants' race isn't considered.</p>
<p>So, what I'd like to know is if there are any statistics that can prove that Asians have a disadvantage in the admissions process and if so, why this "racism" occurs. What's wrong with more Asians on a college campus? If an Asian is a qualified applicant, why shouldn't he/she receive the same consideration as a Hispanic of equal excellence? If Asians are indeed being discriminated upon like this, why aren't white people given the same kind of discrimination? Their numbers far exceed those of Asians in campus demographics, but their chances of admission are much greater. If colleges are indeed looking for diversity, then why do most of them accept so many more whites than Asians?</p>
<p>Sometimes I wanna kill myself for being born Asian instead of say, American Indian. A few years ago, I was proud of being Chinese but college admissions has made me (and a lot of other Asians, I'm sure) regret ever having yellow skin and slanted eyes. I just don't want to believe the reason that thousands of extremely qualified students are rejected from top schools is: You are Asian.</p>
<p>It’s just a case of misidentified stereotypes. As many people would agree, Asians are hard workers who strive for perfect statistics. Even if you’re a well qualified applicant, chances are, there are better ones in line, and chances are, some of those applicants are Asian.</p>
<p>The truth is, after seeing all those “perfect applicants,” admission officers expect more. Getting great grades and other objective information puts you at a cynically expected norm.</p>
<p>EDIT: I remember seeing another thread along these lines somewhere on CC.</p>
<p>EDIT2: I’m not saying that Asians are discriminated against; my point is that there are always better better Asian applicants out there.</p>
<p>It’s not that American private colleges are “racist.” It’s that they want diversity. So, if they only admitted by stats, too few URMs would get admitted. Since these schools are private, they can determine their admissions policies and what they consider. They choose not to only consider GPA, curriculum, and test scores.</p>
<p>Note that most state schools are not allowed to consider race at all.</p>
<p>Get the book The Price of Admission by Golden, he has a lot of stats.</p>
<p>You may see this as racist, but private colleges have always comprised their classes the way they want to. It’s social engineering. For decades they limited the number of Jews. They had no blacks and decided they wanted 10% blacks so made it happen. It became of interest to have kids from 48 countries and presto…</p>
<p>At top colleges, Asians are far better represented than they are in the US population, but they don’t want too much of any one thing.</p>
<p>suck it up. i’m asian too but you kinda have to realize that this isn’t something you can control so it’s no use worrying about it. just do the best you can. if you created this thread to look for information, it seems you already have your answer.</p>
<p>asian people kinda have to recognize that going to a school like BU is not shameful. it’s a good school. harvard is NOT the ultimate goal. and don’t hate yourself for being chinese simply for COLLEGE ADMISSIONS. i mean, really? college isn’t the end-all factor of your life. if you don’t get into an ivy league oooooh, big deal <sarcastic></sarcastic></p>
<p>like others have pointed out, schools like harvard have asian communities that consist of like 15% of their undergrad population compared to like 4-6% in the total U.S. population so… asians are well represented.</p>
<p>have faith. remember- qualified doesn’t necessarily mean you were the leader of a bunch of clubs or have awesome stats. don’t forget your personality, attitude, and maturity as a person. i think that’s what really defines the person that colleges want. </p>
<p>after all, no company wants to hire some guy who does well it school but is a complete dbag.</p>
<p>Nervus is right. To hate being Asian just because of college admissions only substantiates the stereotype that all Asians are obsessed about getting into the most prestigious colleges.</p>
<p>redemption: your living in China does not allow you the context to judge what US private colleges do in their admissions. The fact is, they do not want just the most statistically qualified people to fill out their freshman classes – nor do the freshmen themselves, I would posit.</p>
<p>And you fail to realize that those tons of high GPA Asian kids do well at all sorts of colleges. The fact that there are fewer hispanic, african american or native americans have on average lower HS performance as an aggregate-- they are doing much worse than the “average” Asian kid in terms of college or college graduation. In these terms, Asians are many miles ahead of these other subgroups. </p>
<p>The fact that you’re even considering a top level college should say something about you, no? This can’t be said of most URM HS students whatsoever.</p>
<p>Thanks guys for the replies. I’m aware that college isn’t the end of everything and all that. It’s like… you spend 4 years working for an ultimate goal, even though those years weren’t 100% focused on college, and you think you’re going to make it when you realize that your race is what’s keeping you from your dream school. </p>
<p>Nervus and kingpin: So I’m a stereotype, big deal. I do know, however, that I’d still be happy in a safety. It’s not like I said I only want to go to top schools. I’m applying to a few of them so I wouldn’t regret having never tried. I’m dead set on getting into Hopkins (ED) which is nowhere as competitive as HYPS, and I’m sure I’ll be perfectly happy going to UCI, in the city where I grew up. I have a friend going to BU and he’s having the time of his life. If millions of students around the country can be happy at a non-top college, then I can’t be much different from them, right?</p>
<p>Anyhoo, thanks for the concern but could anyone provide me with statistics or something? I’d like to know just how much of a disadvantage I’m at. Thanks again.</p>
<p>i think anyone would be hard pressed to find statistics on this. colleges don’t just give them out you know. besides, how would you measure how much a certain race is “disadvantaged” because admissions is sometimes a little subjective so even if you point out that one person was more qualified then another at least statistically but the latter got in based on his race, i bet there are ways an admissions officer can explain that politically.</p>
<p>Just compare the number of Asian admits and Asian applicants in each school. I’m not sure if colleges release the latter though. I don’t think there’s any way to cover up racial preference…</p>
<p>Colleges would never, ever release data on acceptances broken down by race, especially if they involved average accepted stats by race. It would be way too controversial.</p>
<p>Life isn’t fair. Everybody gets discriminated against at one point or another. You just do the best you can and then bloom where you’re planted.</p>
<p>Although there is some disadvantage in the caliber of Asian applicants, I believe Asians should value their success and culture over an admissions process. </p>
<p>I do agree that Asians should receive similar considerations with other applicants regardless of race. For instance, how would colleges view wealthy URMs and poor Asian applicants whose parents were immigrants? It would not be fair to compare very strong but poor first generation Asian applicants whose parent’s income is less than 10k) with well off URMs with the best resources for their child. With identical stats and similar essays, would the two be considered equal or would preference still be given to the URM due to favoring the underrepresented? </p>
<p>Although I do see the importance of enrolling a diverse class, in addition to enrolling more underrepresented groups, I believe they should consider the social-economic background of the underrepresented groups and compare it to the overrepresented groups as well. Then, the admissions would make a full decision, rather than just plainly enrolling more underrepresented group.</p>
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