<p>Hi. I'm a student deciding whether or not to go to Notre Dame. I was wondering if there are any minorities at there going to Notre Dame. I grew up in Souther California, where asians are plenty. I dont mean to be racist or anything, but I just feel more comfortable around asians since I am one and have always been around them. I was a little taken aback when I visited Notre Dame and found that I was now the minority. If you're of minority ethnicity, how would you describe your process of immersion into the school. Did it ever make you feel uncomfortable? Did you adapt? Thank you for your time guys!</p>
<p>Notre Dame definitely is not nearly as varied in races as, say, a coastal school would be. There still is plenty of diversity, from what I saw in my campus visit, but the percentages of URMs are all in the single digits.</p>
<p>There are plenty of Asian-Americans and Asians around at ND. I mean, it isn’t the most diverse campus, but it is actually a lot more diverse than most people give it credit for. Also, it’d be good to broaden your horizons in terms of associating with and being comfortable with people of all ethnicities. I’m an Asian-American from NY and I thought that I’d feel out of place at ND. I didn’t. Some of my friends have expressed similar sentiments.</p>
<p>The percent of Asians at ND is around 5% according to the website. The percent of Asians in North America that identify as Catholic is around 2%.</p>
<p>According to Wikipedia (I know, not a credible source), Asians comprise 4.4% of the population in the United States. If the statistic provided by momofthreeboys is correct, there are more Asians at Notre Dame percentage-wise than the rest of the country.</p>
<p>you were “taken aback” that there weren’t as many asians at Notre Dame as in California? Seriously? Especially since Asians are not necessarily primarily Catholic (dep on nationality)? You expected there to be about a 20% Asian population in South Bend IN? It sounds like if its that big an issue you might be better off staying in California. There are no schools outside of California public schools that will have the kind of ratio you are used to. But as the above posts point out, the percentage of asians at ND exceeds the regular population.</p>
<p>To my understanding DIVERSITY(socio-ethnic) IS OVERRATED!..I personally DO NOT need a La Casa or a Black Student Association to feel “at home”. I prefer a lack of socio-ethnic Diversity and Notre Dame has this or (I could of went to Morehouse or USC to get this thing the call “diversity”). I however find geographical diversity quite compelling. It is amazing how we all live IN THE SAME country but our experiences are different…only in America!</p>
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<p>But the percentage of Asian Americans at ND is not commensurate with their academic talents and accomplishments. Most top 25 universities typically have Asian American populations that exceed 15% or more. ND is not an attractive destination for the overwhelming majority of top students who are not Catholic (including many Asian Americans).</p>
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<p>You seem to be at the right place. Diversity isn’t just about racial and ethnic diversity. The problem with ND is that it also lacks cultural, socio-economic and religious diversity. Just because you do not value diversity doesn’t mean the OP shouldn’t. Many prospective students who are not upper middle class white Catholics may not feel “at home” at ND, which explains why only 15% of the ND population is non-Catholic.</p>
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<p>Or you could’ve gone to an English class to get this thing called “basic grammar.”</p>
<p>“But the percentage of Asian Americans at ND is not commensurate with their academic talents and accomplishments. Most top 25 universities typically have Asian American populations that exceed 15% or more. ND is not an attractive destination for the overwhelming majority of top students who are not Catholic (including many Asian Americans).”</p>
<p>Huh? Notre Dame is a Catholic school, a religion that most Chinese and Japanese and Koreans don’t practice in large numbers. Obviously that means that there won’t be as large a percentage of Asian students at ND as there would be at a non denominational school or a public school. Is this some kind of great revelation? There probably is a very small Quaker population at ND too relative to the “talents and accomplishments” of many Quakers. So what is your point? The OP seemed shocked that there weren’t as many Asians at ND as there were in Southern California. That is what my post was responding to. ND is a great academic school no matter what your faith is, and you don’t need to be Catholic to excel at ND. But obviously the leading Catholic school in the country is going to attract mostly the top Catholic students. That doesn’t mean it can’t be a great school for an Asian to go to. Your post acts like ND is somehow second rate because its primarily Catholic. Get a clue.</p>
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<p>This is what I pretty much said. Please read carefully:</p>
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<p>No, you implied that ND is somehow inferior because non Catholic Asian students don’t come here in percentages that they do at someplace like Stanford or Cal Berkeley etc. Its obvious to anyone over the 3rd grade why there wouldn’t be a similar percentage of Asian students at a Catholic school like ND and it has nothing to do with the quality of education at ND—it has to do with the fact that ND is in South Bend IN and its a Catholic school. So to imply that ND is somehow an inferior academic institution simply because many Asian students tend to go to non Catholic schools or stay on the west coast is disingenuous at best and manipulative, evil and cynical at worst. The fact is, there are more Asian students at Notre Dame than the percentage of Asians as a whole living in the US. That is a fact.</p>
<p>Actually, I (logically) implied none of these things. You’re bringing your own biases and prejudices to your own personal interpretation of my argument.</p>
<p>“ND is not an attractive destination for Asian students”…“the problem with ND”…</p>
<p>no, you have absolutely no biases, prejudices or preconcieved notions, lmao.</p>
<p>Getting a degree at ND would only be a problem for an Asian student if he/she chose to make it a problem or thought they couldn’t thrive as a student unless there was a 15-20% Asian population. So your self serving, cynical and manipulative negative Notre Dame statements are revealed for what they are. I sure hope you are not going to ND with that attitude/lack of logical thinking. Any Asian student smart enough to get into Notre Dame who has a positive well rounded outlook on life would recognize that ND’s 5% or so Asian population would not be a problem nor should it be viewed as a negative.</p>
<p>Yes, I value (racial, ethnic, cultural, socio-economic, religious, etc.) diversity over homogeneity. How “self serving” of me…</p>
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<p>My only inference is that Notre Dame is more homogeneous, not that it is “academically inferior.” I never even brought up academics.</p>
<p>and oh by the way, the real world anecdotal evidence of red06’s experience right in this very thread proves my point in spades. Take your cynical, illogical, narrowmindedness elsewhere as you obviously have some kind of agenda to serve which undermines whatever goofball point it is you are trying to make.</p>
<p>“you never even brought up academics”???</p>
<p>you already forgot this quote???:</p>
<p>“But the percentage of Asian Americans at ND is not commensurate with their academic talents and accomplishments. Most top 25 universities typically have Asian American populations that exceed 15% or more. ND is not an attractive destination for the overwhelming majority of top students who are not Catholic (including many Asian Americans).”</p>
<p>Hmm “academic talents”, “top 25 universities” “not an attractive destination for the overwhelming majority of top students who are not Catholic”.</p>
<p>Dude, you are a tool. Just out of curiousity, are in college or applying to college, and are you either Catholic or Asian?</p>
<p>Shank, take a deep breath and relax. You’ve got a chip on your shoulder and it doesn’t need to be there. ND is a fine school and nobody, on this thread anyway, appears to be saying otherwise. </p>
<p>Notre Dame is not as ethnically diverse as many other top schools; to pretend otherwise is delusional. This is not to imply that the student body isn’t accommodating and accepting of diversity, as it does seem to be. </p>
<p>Although the Asian population in the US is indicated in this thread at 4.4%, I’d imagine the Asian population in US higher education is greater than that, and at the top universities, higher still. Probably a number of factors account for the relatively lower Asian population at ND: Asian population centers geographically removed from Indiana, smaller percentage of Catholics among Asians, possibly brand identification of ND versus ivy league schools. I do think the ND administration would like to have a more diverse student body, and is moving in this direction. Anecdotal evidence is the apparent increasing difficulty for legacy admission.</p>
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<p>I never said or implied that ND is “academically inferior.” Nor did I bring up academics with respect to ND.</p>
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<p>you pretty much repeated what has already been discussed. And where did I “pretend that ND was as ethnically diverse as other top schools”??? (what schools are you talking about would be nice to know however). I in fact gave very specific reasons why ND did not have as many Asian students. None of which involve academic reputation or quality, as frogman clearly implied. Nor is being a Catholic school somehow make ND not accomodating and friendly to Asian students, again which frogman implied with his “lack of diversity” comments which clearly tried to cast ND in a negative light.</p>
<p>And I am discussing all this while slurping on a big huge snowcone with a lovely assistant fanning me, so in actuality, I couldn’t be more relaxed.</p>