<p>ihateCA : you have no idea what you are talking about, I am sorry.</p>
<p>Business skills are VERY innate, its that ability to pick up and understand concepts and theories and psychology that people either naturally understand or dont. You cannot force those things into someones head</p>
<p>That's your opinion.</p>
<p>There's nothing that around 90% of the people around the world CAN'T do with a lot of effort. I seriously think that most people's innate abilities are relatively equal, and you acquire the ability to understand those concepts in your upbringing. Most, if not all, people will get them if they have someone drill it into their head 100 times. </p>
<p>Most, if not all, people are born with:
-General Intelligence</p>
<p>Most, if not all, people are NOT born with:
-A skill set
-An aptitude
-Etc.</p>
<p>You are kidding right?
There are so many Asians in the business world already it's not even funny.</p>
<p>I just want to add that if you don't think aggressiveness and competiveness are a part of the Asian culture, you are very wrong.</p>
<p>They instill a competive and aggressive nature at the beginning of elementary school. Especially with the number of people and small number of prominent universities (I am citing Hong Kong as an example, I don't have personal experiences with other parts of Asia), you learn that you have to be better than the person sitting next to you. Period.</p>
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Don't forget out of all the people who major in business/econ ONLY in college, most NEVER make what engineers, doctors, or lawyers make.
Business alone is not enough to make "humongous" money. The greatest flexibility is when your business acumen and credentials are in addition to something else like law, engineering, or medicine. On average the people who are good at what they do as well as are diversified will be more successful than just those strictly "business" people because they have more options.</p>
<p>Well where do you put that...because in Asian countries, all people who are in the same position are paid the same, and they think that's fair, whether they went to Harvard or Arizona State.</p>
<p>I would say competitive, yes, but agressive, no. Asians are also not proactive, they're more reactive than proactive. Any they are also taught to be backstabbing in the fierce competition...bad quality for business. In business, integrity is valued.</p>
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Any they are also taught to be backstabbing in the fierce competition...bad quality for business. In business, integrity is valued.
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What? Come again?</p>
<p>"I would say competitive, yes, but agressive, no. Asians are also not proactive, they're more reactive than proactive. Any they are also taught to be backstabbing in the fierce competition...bad quality for business. In business, integrity is valued."</p>
<p>NOT TRUE. You haven't met too many asians, your outlook is completely wrong. There are other nations in Asia other than Communist China, even then your statments about equal pay doesn't apply. Ever heard of India, largest feeder country in the US university system. They can be very proactive and have very good sense of eithics and responsiblity that they carry on to whatever profession they take up, similar to their other Asian colleagues.</p>
<p>OK...sure. But in my experience (watching South Korean businessmen/politicians) they really ADORE stabbing each other's backs. Anyways, in such a fiercely competitive environment, it's natural that there WILL be some backstabbers, and in an environment where you have to be better than the person sitting next to you and that's all that matters, there's BOUND to be backstabbers and cheaters and people who beat others by dishonest means.</p>
<p>Well Lakshmi Mittal is an Indian-born billionaire and is currently the 5th richest man in the world with a net worth over $20 billion.</p>
<p>He bought a $128 million house (the most expensive home ever sold) and did a $60 million wedding for his daughter.</p>
<p>Would you define that as success?.....I think so.</p>
<p>uh, I think a $60million wedding is ridiculous. What did they do, buy taj mahal for a week?</p>
<p>If you rent the Palais de Versailles for a week, that's $60MM I believe.</p>
<p>funnyman they rented out Versailles in France. indian weddings are a grand affair.</p>
<p>ihatecali, please just shut up becuase you really dont know what your talking about.</p>
<p>Perhaps you dont understand what the word aggresive means, or perhaps you are just talking out of your butt, either way, please just stop talking.</p>
<p>Secondly, there is backstabbing in almost every business unit..period, smaller units are a little better, but larger units will be full of politics and problems, differences depend on the unit, the people and location.</p>
<p>ihatecali, you sound very racist...</p>
<p>if your heart is set on Stern, maybe you should look at the Stern Scholars brochure if you ever get it. Everyone in it is Asian. EVERYONE. I got into it, and I'm Asian. Judging from your whole outlook toward business, your stereotypical judgements and your belief that getting into Stern will make you accomplish your goal of "a filthy rich, capitalistic, materialistic trader"...you have a lot to learn in life.</p>
<p>I got into Stern and I am AMERICAN.</p>
<p>Ill tell you what my brother said at wharton. "The Asians are the ones that pull the grades but then work in the back-rooms of their firms number crunching."</p>
<p>Number crunchers dont move up, they just crunch. What moves people up are the ones who build social connections with their clients and workers. I dont want to sound racist but I am going to agree with the original question of the topic. By succeed I mean get to the highest levels and not just stay in their number crunching job.</p>
<p>OMG! Asians own people in every industry from engineering to medicine. They are by no means number crunchers.</p>
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<p>Congratulations. I don't know if you notice but this is a discussion about race rather than nationality. I think Indians and Asians can be American as well. </p>
<p>I suggest you guys take a look at the MD list released by the various banks to see who are moving up or not. For example: <a href="http://www.gs.com/our_firm/media_center/articles/press_release_2000_article_919120.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.gs.com/our_firm/media_center/articles/press_release_2000_article_919120.html</a></p>
<p>Quite a few asians (Indians included). That sole number crunching stereotype is obsolete. There are more than enough asians moving up in the business world. Also consider that the number of asians going into business is somewhat lower than other races (due to the focus on specializing in medicine or engineering) I would agree that knowing how to crunch numbers as well as developing some social skills on the side helps as well.</p>
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<p>Southpasdena, that discussion ended when I started talking about Versailles. Additionally, you're too late for that party. Plus, I don't claim to be correct in everything I say. But if you feel the need to tear someone whom you don't know apart to make yourself feel better, be my guest. And if you also INSIST on making sure that I'm humiliated to make yourself feel better, fine. Go ahead. Same goes with you duobeef, and everyone else who made an attempt on my throat.</p>
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<p>Furthermore, SOUTHPASDENA, DUOBEEF, you seriously need to stop lecturing me. Just stop. I'm not your child, and even if I was, I wouldn't listen to what you're saying. And DON'T tell me to shut up. Do it again, and I'm reporting your post. I have parents to do that for me, and that's enough already. And why is it YOUR problem if I have a perspective that may not necessarily be accurate? Why do YOU care? Can't you maybe like, go along with it? Is it that difficult to sound NOT offensive? Someone else on this forum mentioned defensiveness, but it's people like you that force me to be defensive.</p>
<p>the idea that you think its fine to just write whatever you think with no actual reasoning or evidence and expect someone who actually knows what they are talking about to come and correct you when you are wrong and think it is no skin off your back is just insane.</p>
<p>If you dont have any real life experience in something, don't go around talking authoritatively about it. its fine to be wrong about things, everyone makes some mistakes, but that is totally different than writing whatever you want and expecting no one to hold it against you and call BS.</p>