Asians/minorities?

<p>I'm applying for RD this year, and from what I've read, Vandy seems to be a great place to be socially and academically. However, I have a few concerns:</p>

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<li>How's the Asian community here? I'm Asian and I come from a 30% Asian school, so if I come to Vandy, it'll be a huge change of scene for me. I'm in no way going to self-segregate and hang out with only Asians; I just want to know if I'm going to be one of the few Asians on campus. </li>
<li>How diverse is Vandy overall? Do people of different races self-segregate? </li>
<li>Are the "frat central" stereotypes true to some extent? Does the social life here somewhat revolve around Greek life? </li>
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<p>And yeah, I used the search function and read the threads about Asians at Vandy. However, those were written several years ago so things might have changed now. Anyway, thanks in advance!</p>

<p>1) The asian community is small enough that asians are still considered URMs at vandy, unlike almost every other school in the country. The % of asians will only drop in the coming years as Vandy ends their exchange agreement with Malaysia.</p>

<p>2) Vandy is pretty diverse in terms of races present, but there is a lot of self segregation. That being said, it is just that “self segregation”. Meaning if you don’t want to self segregate you, don’t have to.</p>

<p>3) No, the on campus social scene does not “somewhat” revolve around greek life, it completely revolves around greek life. Unless you’re 21 and going to bars, almost all social activity occurs at fraternities while on campus. Not sure why you’re writing off greek life though, there are minorities and asians in fraternities and sororities.</p>

<p>I’m not sure why RTH thinks the % Asians will drop in coming years. Ending some agreement with Malaysia isn’t going to reduce the number of Asians applying from the US… If anything, it will just open up more spots for internationals from other areas.</p>

<p>Also, I wouldn’t say the social scene “completely revolves around Greek life.” If your only definition of social scene is partying, then yes, the vast majority of the party scene revolves around Greek life. There are plenty of ways to be socially active outside of Greek life though. Keep in mind that over half the campus is independent… </p>

<p>And as mentioned, minorities are both accepted in the Greek system and even have their own (unofficial) fraternities/sororities. The latter kinda feeds into self-segregation but still a great way to socialize if you aren’t interested in a legitimate frat/sorority.</p>

<p>Being Asian is not a plus or minus. The percentage of Asians and Asian Americans will at least stay the same or grow, although the Malaysian students are very visible current subgroup now with a special contract with Vanderbilt (hadn’t heard this was ending). Vandy is not Stanford or Berkeley where there are many Asians on campus and off campus…but it is comparable to many other major universities in historically Asian students. Write your heart out in your essays and then pick your favorite college in April. You don’t have to make up your mind till then. Both of our sons ended up at colleges that initially didn’t make their hearts sing. A lot of factors weigh in in April, including where you were waitlisted and where you were rejected.
The Greek scene at Vanderbilt is very dominant in terms of arranged social events and parties compared to the independent students but this is also true at UVA and other comparable campuses. Greek students tend to not realize that independent students are also enjoying their social lives which are more self defined and eclectic. Nashville is a user friendly city for independents and at least you are not left on a campus in an isolated location if you do not pledge. Independent life at say…Dartmouth…looks a bit lonely to me since the town has its limitations. Even Durham where Duke is located has less to offer on weekends than Vandy students can enjoy in Nashville…a very amiable mid sized city that serves the region well. At least 30% of my WASP son’s friends are Asian…Filipino American, Chinese American, Malaysian…and he has visited their homes and families on break.</p>

<p>Will you be one of the few Asians at Vanderbilt? Well it depends on how you look at it. Yes, it will be rather obvious the second you arrive at Vanderbilt that most people are not Asian. In fact, you’ll most likely have only a few Asian floormates. However, that is not to say that Asians aren’t present. There’s plenty of Asian student groups (AASA being the largest one to my knowledge) and of course, there’s also plenty of Asians that would rather make friends outside of Asian circles. No matter what, there’s a spot for you. The transition is rather large, especially if you’re coming from somewhere where Asians are almost a majority, but at the same time, it’s not hard to find friends.
On a slight tangent, there are many types of “Asian.” I think you’ll find somewhere where you can mingle comfortably. And tbh, white people can be nerdy, like anime, play Starcraft, and play DDR too ;)</p>

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<li>You will be a URM. An international Asian friend of mine got waitlisted with a 1780 on his SATs (transfer, so it’s way easier that way too). I got in with below average scores myself–and was rejected by all other ivy league-level schools</li>
<li>If you are like me, and you don’t really like frats, you’ll have a hard time finding your type of person, but trust me, you will.</li>
<li>When in doubt, go live in McGill for your sophomore year!</li>
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<p>1.) As an Asian, I can say that all Asians are pretty nice, although some are quite d0uchey. A lot of them self segregate though which is kind of sad.
2.) People of all races self-segregate at Vandy. Some people are just that close-minded.
3.) It completely revolves around frat life which isn’t necessarily a bad thing cause frats are fun. And I will tell you this right now. No matter how cool, nice, smart, or polite you are, you will automatically be at a disadvantage when it comes to getting into greek life. That’s just how it is. You can’t sidestep the fact that greek life, and frats especially, are racist towards minorities in general, not just Asians. If you don’t believe me go online and look at the frat brothers at Vandy. Most of them are white.</p>

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<h1>3’s what I’ve been fearing the most. While I’m not completely against joining a frat (since I’m not even in college yet), I’m kinda worried that there’ll be discrimination and racism involved. Is it still possible to have a lot of fun and have a good social life if you’re not in Greek life? What do non-Greeks usually do?</h1>

<p>They said that it is harder and less likely for a minority to get in, not that, if you do get in, you’ll be mistreated. I honestly think that this is a situation that is perhaps being misread. It may be possible, for example, that whites are more inclined to join greeklife in the first place, which explains why, at other places, that even though there are frathouses/frats that are historically dominated by a minority ethnicity (black frats and sororities for example, and I know we have an Asian fraternity), they don’t become dominant on campus. For example, we don’t have 4 black/Asian frat/sorority lodges or houses, but only 1, yet there are several houses/lodges dominated by whites. I seriously doubt this is because the administration won’t allow more of such houses to be built (I’m convinced that the demand isn’t there since we were allowed to have so many culture/academic related houses like the Spanish house, Asbury house, black student alliance house, etc all of which, mind you, may contribute to further self-segregation. No need to join greeklife when you can do that instead. SimilarlyAssess whether or not all the minorities at Vandy actually want to be in Greeklife. I bet I know what the answer is. They have other outlets.). On top of this, the separation in housing may naturally occur because the minorities are more comfortable with their own and thus less inclined to join historically white greeks. I don’t think it’s good enough to say, “as proof, look at their websites, they are mostly white”. So is Vandy, so perhaps it is reflective of Vandy’s demographics more so than the culture of the frats. It seems that here for example, the historically white fraternities are more mixed and this could easily be explained by the fact that we are like 50% minority (and then most of the white students are Jewish, which, if you counted as a religious/cultural minority, would make it more like 75-85% minority) vs. the 25-30 at Vandy (maybe 40-50% if you count Jewish students). Just not sure if that assessment is fair. As for non-greeks. Vandy is a good sized university, not to mention that it is a really good university, so there is more to it than greeklife and it offers plenty for you to do outside of greeklife. There is more to extracurriculars and social scene than partying, so I’m sure non-greeks (and even greeks for that matter) have plenty of stuff to do outside of that realm. </p>

<p>iLiveOnCC: If you like Vandy, just go. Don’t waste so much time worrying about this stuff. Vandy is basically just like every other top school, just less minorities. We for example (perhaps due to heavy international population), still have self-segregation (though it actually isn’t that bad, and it mostly occurs along class lines. Races tend to intermix all of the time. I’m black and most of my friends are not white or black. They are Indian or Asian for example). I can’t see self-segregation going to too heavy an extreme at Vandy. It would be weird. It would be like: All 73% percent of the whites to themselves, The 7% blacks to themselves, the 7% Asians (by the way, this makes Asians as still over-represented and the others as under as Asians only comprise about 5% of the US population. That’s not URM status, it’s simply much less than similar caliber schools. Any weird admissions of Asians may have to do with something else or perhaps getting more minorities as a whole, not applying URM status to Asians) to themselves, 7% hispanics to themselves. I would expect the minorities to at least socially integrate with the predominant ethnicity to a large degree. Just saying that schools with more people that “look like you” can have the same problems. They may just be easier to ignore (though sometimes more diversity means it can be greatly exacerbated). Just really think about this issue, seriously. Give Vandy a fair assessment here and realistically compare it to your other prospects (this involves looking beyond and perhaps double checking what people like me or anyone else on a site like this say by checking the stats. and reasoning your way through it and reaching your own conclusion). Also, let things like a visit influence your decision. See if you observe significant racial interaction then (outside of settings like say, a dining hall, where yes, like people tend to sit together. Perhaps observe the social interactions occuring when classes change over for example. Because the term “self-segregation” is loaded and suggests intention; as in, I am not really even interested, in any type of setting, in meeting different types of people. If this is true, you’ll observe separation in the most loose and informal of settings).</p>

<p>If you get in, you’ll be treated like any other frat brother. But more than likely, you won’t. And it’s definitely not because some don’t want to join, I’ve seen multiple friends attempt and fail. Personally, I don’t like any of the frat brothers cause they tend to be dicks, but then again, that’s my experience.
But there is definitely a lot to do outside of Greek life, like you can definitely still have best friends and life goes on. You’ll just never get some of the perks people in greek life do like have a chance to be in student government after your freshman year (almost always the greek candidate gets instant advantage in popularity/campaigning).
Sorry bernie, but I really think you’re wrong about the whole website proof thing. The fact of the matter is, at Vanderbilt, a lot of the frats really just do not like minorities. How else would you explain the fact that so many of my friends are cut from the rush list almost instantly?
As for the OP’s question, non-greeks can do a lot actually. I mean, you don’t need to party in a frathouse (scene gets quite boring quite fast), you can go to downtown and shop and party in clubs as well. Other than that, you have the usual take a cab to a movie, or just hang out and play some basketball at the rec center. Vandy offers a lot of planned activities on weekends, although as a freshman, all we do is party on weekends really. I feel like as the workload increases, many actually stay in on weekends and just hang out with each other although I am not sure cause I’m not even a sophomore yet.</p>

<p>I don’t know anything about the rush list. I just know you can’t look at the website and look at the demographics in each picture and say:" They don’t like minorities". The fact that the fraternities and sororities are mostly white at a mostly white school is not surprising. Pictures tell me nothing about their rush list. The rush list and how they handle it is indeed more concrete proof than pictures on a website. I’m willing to agree with that, but I said that having no idea about that. If that is true, it sucks, and I’m sorry about that. Y’all hold many symposiums/seminars/events on race relations there? Looks like you can use it, because that seems like a huge self-segregation if many of the white students are running off to the frats and others having difficulty getting in. Sounds like a softcore version of how whites (okay, maybe just those who are well off. Though in the south, mainly black and white) in heavily black populated cities send their children to the private schools and thus don’t fund the public school system. Sorry, but I wanted to believe that it wasn’t true because it’s a top private school, albeit one with a slightly different culture from the others. Oh, and if Vandy is normal. You’re right, your workload will likely increase next year and I know here, even with classes that are in sequences, the 2nd is almost always significantly more rigorous than the first (but I’m a science major though. I find that the rigor of my non-science classes can be more tightly controlled even though the tougher ones, are usually much better. Same in the sciences). So, for all you know, you may end up inside on some weekends/ “regular” hanging out next semester. It depends on how your schedule is though.</p>

<p>paupowpew, they probably got cut because they didn’t go around enough or simply are not very cool kids (you can interpret that to mean “don’t fit in with the brothers in the fraternity” if you want). Getting a bid at a fraternity isn’t a right, you have to make the guys in the fraternity want to hang out with you for the next 3 years. Almost all of the fraternities and sororities have some minorities; if they like you then you’ll get a bid regardless of race. The reason the greek scene is dominated by whites is because that’s who has the most interest, not because of some racist conspiracy.</p>

<p>I’m going to have to side with RTH123 on this one. Caucasians show the greatest amount of interest and also have the most cuts. I decided not to rush in the end but I had been encouraged to do so by a few frats “despite” my race.</p>

<p>iLiveOnCC, you still get to party at the frathouses if you’re non-greek. Knowing brothers helps you get in quicker. Alternatively, a ton of smaller parties occur in the dorms, but you’d actually have to know the people hosting those</p>

<p>And if my friends rushed multiple frats and you know kissed up to brothers like every other rush and got cut from all the frats in the first wave? I feel like I’m better able to judge my friends than you are. But okay. Just my 2 cents on the matter.
wanderers is right though. It doesn’t matter that much because more than likely you’ll have other friends who did get into frats and you’re good to go when the weekend comes around.</p>

<p>tl;dr - you’ll be fine. There’s plenty to do outside of frats. Never have been to one… and I’m still living. There’s parties at friends’ houses, parties downtown, or if you’re not into partying, you can hang out with friends. Or stay in your room all day and play games, it’s really nbd.</p>

<p>Thanks for the detailed responses! I’ve done a lot research lately, and Vandy seems like an awesome place to be at. It’s probably one of my top choice schools now. </p>

<p>Since I’m from the northeast, there’ll obviously some culture shock if I get accepted and decide to go to Vandy. So… I’m trying to find out as much about the social scene as I can. Here are some more questions, if anyone minds answering them:</p>

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<li>How would the social culture at Vandy compare to that of the northeast? </li>
<li>What kind of music do a lot of people listen to?</li>
<li>Do a lot of Vandy students go clubbing? Is there even a clubbing scene?</li>
<li>Is the environment competitive or laid-back?</li>
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<p>Thanks in advance!</p>

<p>Students at Vandy come from all over the United States and from other countries, so you will get a good mix of “cultures.” Still, Vandy is somewhat southern in that the students tend to be rather warm and friendly–the guys do hold the doors and pay for the cabs. Regarding music, if you are asking whether the students listen to country music, the answer to that question is that the students listen to all kinds of music. If a student likes country music, there is certainly lots of access to it in Nashville, but most students probably have no particular interest in it and prefer other types of music, just like students at other schools. As to clubbing, my D just finished her first semester at Vandy and did not do much clubbing because most clubs are 21+ and she does not have a fake id. (Lots of students do have fake ids.) Some students did go downtown to clubs on most weekends, but she and her friends preferred to stay on campus and go to the frat parties that were held every weekend and were easy to get to and free. My impression is that perhaps older students go clubbing more than freshman and sophomores, but it may just depend on the student. And, as to the environment, my impression is that all the students are very bright, but they also are well rounded kids who like to have fun, so most don’t seem to be overly competitive. My D’s friends all worked hard their first term, but she did not complain at all about the environment being stressful or overly competitive.</p>

<p>1.) Can’t comment on this one cause I’m from IL.
2.) Well people listen to a lot of music! Personally, I listen to almost everything. Except lots of country. I like to think my musical interests have gained variety since coming to college. Also, I have ballin headphones nbd.
3.) Yeah everyone goes clubbing! It’s fun although you will get marked if you hypothetically don’t have a fake id so you can’t get alcohol at bars. In addition, a cover must be paid around 10 ish dollars to 20 depending on how good the club is.
4.) The academic environment is very laid back. Not cutthroats here. I really don’t know anyone who wants other people to fail so they can succeed with a curve. Except me. Just kidding. No, but seriously ;)</p>