Asians with money... (misnomer)

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<p>So, as I've been old, students from exclusive and well known private schools are heavily weighted more than someone from a public school. Comparing 2 students, one from a private school
SAT:2400
SAT II: 800 on everything
GPA: 4.00 (uw)
5.00 (w)
EC's: xc, soccer, violin, piano, cum laude
Income: somewhere really high up there...
Parental Legacy at Yale and Harvard</p>

<p>public school kid
SAT: 2400
SAT II: All perfects
GPA: 4.00 (uw)
5.00 (w)
EC's:same as above
Income: really poor (under 40K/year)<br>
parents never went to college, will be the first to do so</p>

<p>-who will be the who gets into the more prestigious collge? (this is unrealistic stuff, but just curious to know who will get into the better school...)</p>

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<p>They would both get in.</p>

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<p>Umm, I would personally think that they would be on even ground here.</p>

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<p>Agree with Suze. Despite some inequities, all the top colleges are mainly meritocracies. Kids with superlative test scores, GPAs, remarkable ECs etc., will get in, regardless of their familial or financial backgrounds. Top schools want top kids, no matter where they come from.</p>

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<p>it's not the ultra poor or the super rich that gets turned down at ivies. It's those middle class white / asian ppl that gets rejected teh most.</p>

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<p>The way I looked at it is that both are hooked. The first as a legacy, the second being very low income. Either of those combined with top scores and good (don't have to be great) ECs is in.</p>

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<p>I think that they would both get in. gqunits is right, it is the middle class that gets rejected.</p>

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<p>Is the first one APPLYING to Yale and Harvard? If so, legacy trumps most any other hook. If this is comparing a different elite school, the bottom one would have a leg up.</p>

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<p>No, I think a top athlete trumps all but the very richest legacies.</p>

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<p>yeah, both are applying to an elite school (the same school), but what do you mean by middle class income not getting accepted (as an asian?)</p>

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<p>Here we go with the AA issue, again....</p>

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<p>what do you mean by that, IsleBoy?</p>

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<p>I am pretty sure its mainly white or asian middle class that gets discriminated against.</p>

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<p>Methinks IsleBoy is speaking of Affirmative Action, but I'm not sure why.</p>

<p>It's not a case of race, but of respective "hooks".</p>

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<p>this may be completely insensitive, but i don't really care.</p>

<p>what ever happened to working your way up? not that i don't think that poor first generation college goers shouldn't have the same chance at going to colleges that everyone else has, but this whole "i'm poor so i get an advantage thing" is really starting to **** me off. my grandparents on my mothers side went to college and my grandparents on my father side didn't. my mom went to a pretty good school at the time she went to college and my father just went to one by him. My sister and I went to much better schools than either my aprents or grandparents did. Hopefully my kids will go to at least a good as school as i did.</p>

<p>i just think this whole "i'm poor and have good test scores so i should have an advantage over kids who arn't poor and have good test scores" is such crap. It just is a mystery to me why people shouldn't have to work their way up the social ladder like these supposed rich (i.e. middle class) white people did.</p>

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<p>Obviously, you have never before lived in poverty, jags. Perhaps if you had, you might think differently of the human condition. I would love to see you score a 2400 on your SAT while your dad is in prison and you and your mom work 30-40 hour weeks at Wal-mart. With the increasing gap between rich and poor in America, unbiased evaluation of applicants would kill the American dream.</p>

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<p>Very true.. I work many hours in one week to support my family. I'm sure if I didn't have to work so many long hours, I could have a better application for college overall.</p>

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<p>luxar,</p>

<p>did i make a comment about some kid scoring 2400 and a 4.0 not deserving to go to harvard or whatever? no i don't think i did. What i said was poor people shouldn't get an advantage over a middle class person or a rich person simply because they're poor. Theres no reason why 2 equally qualified people should apply to a school and 1 person gets an advantage cause he's poor.</p>

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<p>*** my mom used to work at mcdonalds and my dad was unemployed for a good deal of time when i was younger. I got a 2390. There is nothing that says being poor = being dumb or lazy. Pity my dad changed careers, becoming an engineer making us upper middle class by income in recent years... It's just that a lot of poor people use "I'm poor" as an excuse to be lazy and not learn and hotbox instead. Well, only in America and developed countries. In certian countries like some villages in China, even if you were hard working and smart, you would not learn much since you only have like 2 books in the village.</p>

<p>but i agree, certain factors should be ignored. like ecs that cost a lot of money like violin, piano or expensive prep stuff like epgy and cty. However, academics is mostly even. Even though i am in california (considered teh worst state for education) and my school is hugely underfunded, I don't think it is too bad. Yeah, maybe new jersey kids learn a bit more. oh well. roughly even.</p>

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<p>I don't think money will be an issue while the colleges pick the students. The top colleges...HYPSM claim to be need blind.</p>