Ask a disgruntled Cal student (transfer) anything!

<p>@ killmyentourage: I completely agree with everything you just said. And for the record, not to say this is safe or the norm, but I’ve walked from my fraternity house back to my apartment tons of times late at night i.e. between midnight and 3 AM. You just have to know which streets are safer, and as you said, not putting yourself in overtly sketchy situations.</p>

<p>Granted, could something have happened to me on any of those nights? Absolutely. But what I’m contending is that Berkeley may be dangerous, but not nearly as dangerous as some of the surrounding area, and certainly not a major issue for the majority of the students here. </p>

<p>@ BPKid: That’s horrible about your car. I live next to People’s Park and have heard horror stories i.e. needles on the ground, people being held at gun point, etc…but who walks through people’s park at midnight or 1 AM? Of course, the risk of being mugged or hurt is higher at night in any urban area, and even more so in Berkeley than some cities, but as in all risk-related endeavors, it’s important to proceed with caution and be street-smart as entourage said. </p>

<p>Just to reiterate, there wasn’t much you could do to be “street-smart” with your car though. Obviously the backpack made your car more of a target, but even still, I agree that leaving the backpack in your car isn’t your fault, and is more of a reflection of the type of misconduct that is typical in the Berkeley area.</p>

<p>All this said, Berkeley is fairly safe, and as far as I and my friends are concerned, none of us have experienced any harm/jeopardizing situations. It all depends on where you walk and when. Also, as a previous poster said, Bearwalk is always available to walk people back home for free too.</p>

<p>I’ll definitely buy a pepper spray.</p>

<p>^just bought pepper spray…thanks for the suggestion santacruz! considering buying the mini knife as i’m not above gauging a rapist’s eye out. bring it Berkeley.</p>

<p>and thanks bpkid for answering my questions! i dont know how much i’ll have to worry about curves considering i’m a history major though…which is why i didnt ask about them.</p>

<p>parking and safety are pretty much my main concerns and I LOVE that map thing you drew on. i hope you have better time at UCLA!!</p>

<p>I just spent half an hour typing a reply for you billionaire and I accidentally hit my mouses back button when I was about to hit submit, it forced me to relogin and would not let me regather the text.</p>

<p>seriously was like a 1000word response to everyone.</p>

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<p>I’ll see if I am motivated to respond later, that really sucks.</p>

<p>If you are worried about safety, move to Northside.</p>

<p>@ BPkid101 Do you think that UCLA’s classes won’t be as strictly curved?
I’m an admitted EECS transfer, and I was trying to decide between Cal and UCLA. I think that I’ve settled on Cal. I’ll be honest, your statements do worry me a bit, though I don’t think that they are enough to deter me from choosing Cal.
What may cause me to change my mind would be if UCLA did not implement the nasty curves that Cal is renowned for (especially, from what I’ve heard, in EECS). So, do you think that UCLA is better in this regard? How could we actually find out?</p>

<p>I wrote a lot more than this originally, but retyping it all would take too long. So long winded :P</p>

<p>@ SKWZ My window got smashed in Northside; Although I agree, North is definitely safer. The further from Oakland you go, the better.</p>

<p>@emil yes the backpack isn’t my fault, but when I tell that story to locals they say it’s my fault because they are so desensitized to theft/vandalism. I’d like to point out though, that when I lived in Santa Barbara (Goleta specifically) I would go for midnight runs down the beach all the time and check out the stars. Sometimes I would bring people along with my green laser and point out constellations. Up here it’s so bright you can barely see the stars and walking around anywhere at 1am star gazing is asking for trouble(atleast according to the local news everytime I watch it, I hate local news mind you). </p>

<p>I don’t mean to deter anyone from going to UC Berkeley, it is a great school, there is a lot to do around here, and you have ample opportunity for success. For me though getting a good gpa(for grad school) and feeling safe are more important than the reputation advantage Berkeley has.</p>

<p>1.) How hard are upper div math and econ classes? I love math and usually beast even the hardest exams but **** like analysis and linear algebra scares the crap out of me.</p>

<p>The upper level econ classes are only as hard as the professor makes them, I chose carefully this semester and I am maintaining in A with only about 2-3 days of lead time for each midterm (Econ 101B). The upper level math classes are considerably more difficult, the core Math classes for the major have LENGTHY problem sets; hard quizzes; and harder midterms. I was planning on taking Math 110 (upper level lin alg) and Math 128A (numerical analysis) this semester, but 110 was only offered at one time and it conflicted with Econ 101B. I am taking 128A with strain and it is actually not too bad. From what I have heard though Math is MUCH harder than Econ for most classes. Math 128A not so much.</p>

<p>2.) Hows discrete math?</p>

<p>Didn’t take it yet, the professor teaching it this semester had horrible reviews. It’s my last lower level Math class.</p>

<p>3.) I gotta take linear algebra & differential equations if/when I get up there in the fall. How bad is it ? Consider the fact that im taking Econ 100a, Stats 20, and one other class along with it.</p>

<p>Those 3 together will not be pleasant. Lin Alg/ Diff Eqn requires a lot of work anywhere you go. At Cal it will require probably 20 hours per week of studying if you want to get an A. Here is a quote from the Math Department “Be aware that top students spend 12 to 15 hours per class beyond the lectures” I think that’s assuming 2 lectures per week, if that is 3 lectures per week… damn. Stat 20 is also a *****, I am getting a B in that class right now. It is the easiest material you will ever see, yet the curve makes it insanely difficult to get an A. Econ 100A can be hard, all depends on the professor, the class size, and the curve. Either way it will be a lot of reading/studying. Those 3 classes plus a decal would be doable, but it could hurt your GPA. The transition to UC Berkeley can be a bit rough for the first month or so, make sure to form groups in classes, so that problem sets don’t overburden you. I would take those 3 classes plus a decal. Should be ok.</p>

<p>4.) How hard is it to balance the two majors?</p>

<p>Very difficult, scheduling what you need semesters in advance does no good when every semester the classes I plan to take end up conflicted. Also it forces you to take 4 classes per semester + summer school if you want to finish it “on time”. At Cal 4 classes is pretty ridiculous, especially if they are all major classes and are considered somewhat “technical”</p>

<p>5.) For finance, what made you choose the math route as opposed to stats?</p>

<p>My goal was to use the Math/Econ double to get into an MFE program, in order to get into the quantitative trading field. From what I can tell though the MFE doesn’t cut it anymore so I am contemplating a Math PHD instead. A statistics degree works for that field as well, but you have nothing to fall back on. An Econ degree and a Math degree will get you into most corporations as a business analyst / financial analyst (if I can’t get into ibanking or quant trading) where as a statistics degree doesn’t really do much for me in the business field. The added bonus of a Math PHD versus an MFE would be that I would have time to get through Stochastic Calculus, which is the financial world’s bread and butter in terms of math. There is also the whole issue of stats having a bell curve for all of its classes 20% A 30% B 40% C 10% D/F. For stats a well above average GPA would be a 3.3, let alone the 3.8 most grad schools want, and the 3.9 prop shops want.</p>

<p>6.) How are the employment prospects at Berk (and as you probably guessed… finance) ? How hard would it be to land that dream summer internship/full time position with a top firm? (eg Goldman, Citi, UBS, etc)</p>

<p>At Cal Haas students get first priority for ibanking interviews, I have been to numerous interviews and I have had interviewers tell me they prefer Haas students. I have had a few offers from some middlemarket firms so there is still hope though.</p>

<p>7.) Lastly, do the Hass students hog up all the good jobs (Listed above)?</p>

<p>Yes. For 2 reasons: 1) Berkeley’s business undergrad is top 5, the ibanks; especially around San Francisco, know this. So they like to recruit from that pool. Unfortunately once the Haas students get into Ibanks they become a part of the recruitment process and will start recruiting almost entirely out of Haas when interviewing Berkeley candidates.
2) Haas has a few hard pre reqs, but other than that the major is pretty much a cake walk. Most people in Haas graduate with a 3.8 or better. The higher GPA looks really good when the bulgebracket firms are looking over resumes.</p>

<p>Do you know anything about the curves in UCLA then if you are transferring out of Cal to get a better gpa at UCLA? I’m an admitted EECS transfer but I heard alot about the bad curves at Cal especially in EECS. I haven’t read about anyone here posting about the curves at UCLA so maybe it is not as bad. The way I see it though, the applicant pool and the admitted students from both Cal and UCLA are about the same. So you’ll pretty much be competing with about the same group of people who are just as smart…so I’m not sure. Can you please share what you know about the curves in UCLA?</p>

<p>Why did you take stats 20 instead of 134 if you’re a math major and want to become a quant? probability at the level of 134 is necessary for pretty much any class that would be useful for mathematical finance (Econ 141,Econ 240, IEOR 221,222,263a, Stat 150,204,205,251).</p>

<p>If you want to learn stochastic calculus, take Stat 205 or Ieor 222.</p>

<p>I seriously hate the fact that if I go to UCB, Ill be looking up at the Haas people the WHOLE time. Makes it ALOT less likely I end up there.</p>

<p>Thanks alot for the responses though BPkid.</p>

<p>LOL @ all of the safety comments. Have fun jogging at UCLA after 8:00PM! Pepper spray and a knife… you’re begging to be messed with.</p>

<p>loolll^why would anyone ever advertise that they have those things? Keep it quiet, and if you are messed with, you won’t be left defenseless.</p>

<p>I hate to say this about Oakland, because I know how much people love to bash it, even I did when I lived in SF and thought “no way would I move to the East Bay,” but it isn’t all that bad. Oakland is a HUGE city, it covers a lot of ground. Of course you are going to see bad areas and lots of crime in some of them. But you absolutely cannot make a lump statement to “stay as far away from Oakland as possible,” especially considering there are areas in Berkeley, a much smaller city, that have just as much crime. </p>

<p>Areas of Oakland to consider visiting or living in:
–Rockridge (pretty much Berkeley, but homes are worth a bit more)
–Piedmont Avenue (and the surrounding area, lots of apartments with car parking)
–Temescal (the area along Telegraph Ave, north from ~45th Street, it is gentrifying as we speak)
–Chinatown and parts of downtown near 12th & 19th street BART stations (larger, cheaper apartments, very little parking, great public transit connections, a bit too quiet at night, but some awesome bars)</p>

<p>Other than downtown, the above areas are centered around fantastic shopping streets loaded with cafes, bars, clothes shops, book shops, grocery stores, etc., that are easily walkable and filled with people night and day. </p>

<p>Parts of Oakland to avoid, unless you are a bit more street smart or something:
–West Oakland (although parts are gentrifying, such as near Jack London Square)
–East Oakland and Fruitvale
–Lake Merritt is awesome during the day, but too many of my friends have tried it and left due to muggings and other incidents at night. Of course, the area is far too large to generalize and other friends still live in the area and love it…but in general, it is about 45 minutes to an hour by bus to Cal, so a bit far anyway.</p>

<p>@Jetforce</p>

<p>I had never taken a stats class before coming here, and stat 20 was a prereq for my major(it is a weeder class for a few different majors). stat 134 at Cal is notoriously hard and everyone who I have talked to that took it said it was the hardest they ever worked for a grade in their lives(and they almost all got B-'s, with one exception being a CS major I speak with who got an A in it). I am actually scheduled to take it in the fall if I stay at Cal though. I am planning to take econ 141 (mathy econometrics) and stat 150 (stochastic processes) in the following spring actually looking at IEOR 160 for the fall too just to get my feet wet in that department. If I stay at Cal I may just change my major to ORMS, which includes a lot of those classes you listed and I am interested in. The problem is that almost none of these classes are part of the econ major or the math major. Where as at UCLA they are part of the curriculum listed for Math/Econ majors. Every class in the math/econ major at UCLA looks interesting and I feel like I have something to gain from almost all of them.</p>

<p>I haven’t made the decision officially yet, I am waiting until after finals to spend a good amount of time and make the decision (it’s a big one).</p>

<p>you did math/econ at UCLA right? I have a few questions for you if you don’t mind:</p>

<p>How many of your classes were curved in a way that was damaging?</p>

<p>When you were looking for jobs was math/econ viewed as equal/worse/superior to people in the business economics major? or was that comparison not made at all?</p>

<p>Did you learn a lot from the major that could be applied to quant roles?</p>

<p>@Pessimistic</p>

<p>I have gone running in the UCLA area late many times, it’s right next to a very affluent area.</p>

<p>@Billionaire</p>

<p>Yeah, I didn’t realize that when I applied. I thought getting a B.S. in business was a joke (I still do lol) just about everything they teach will be retaught or learned on the job again anyways. There are about 5 UGBA classes that I am interested in taking, outside of that the rest of it is fluff or accounting. I would rather learn some complex math that I can actually apply on my own portfolio or use on the job and go back for my MBA.</p>

<p>But yeah when interviewing I feel like a second class citizen and the Haas kids all seem to have an attitude like they are better (I am not projecting, I swear!) Haas students also tend to be cutthroat, I have heard stories from multiple people of them giving people fake notes to damage grades in order to help themselves.</p>

<p>@ all the people saying to buy knives / pepper spray.</p>

<p>The threat here isn’t someone punching you and stealing your stuff so much as someone coming out of a dark corridor with a gun pointed at you. Pull pepper spray or a knife on a drug addict that lives on the streets or in a ghetto hell bent on stealing from you and see what he does. My money is on pulling the trigger.</p>

<p>if you find stat 134 hard you will probably have a difficult time in 141 and 150. Its really not that bad as long as you keep up with the work and goto the SLC for help since theres no discussion sectoins.</p>

<p>Also, you can use those classes that i listed for the applied math major. My math cluster is mathematical finance and it consists of: IEOR 222, IEOR 263A, and Econ 240a. You don’t need to follow the clusters that are listed on the math dept website as long as you find an advisor to sign off on it. Also, i would not bother with 160, i don’t think that class is that useful. I’d recommend taking IEOR 131 and 161. 161 is the IEOR dept’s undergraduate course in stochastic processes.</p>

<p>What did you do last fall? I’m a spring admit and I’m figuring it out myself. I’m planning on taking classes at Berkeley City College. Is there any way I can be involved on campus if I end up taking classes at BCC?</p>

<p>@Jetforce I think I had you confused with supa_ramga or something, my bad. Was thinking you went to UCLA for math/econ.
Thanks for the info on the classes though, I will definitely take that into consideration if I end up staying here. </p>

<p>@tkhan1</p>

<p>I did Calc III, Linear Alg/Diff Eqn, and Intro to programming at a community college last fall. I think there is a program for getting involved on campus, for freshman it’s called FPF I think? I’m not a great resource there, I’m not too in tune with campus activities.</p>

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<p>You can be a good little victim, and lay down as you get robbed, or for females raped and then robbed, but I’d rather have some means of defense. Its true, statistically you are unlikely to be the victim of violent crime, no matter where you live. However, its always better to be safe than sorry. For me, the moment of realization came 8 years ago on my 18th birthday, when I was robbed at knife point by a tweaker. I resolved never to let that happen again. </p>

<p>If you do it right, he never sees the knife or mace, and you incapacitate him just enough to buy you the time of running away. Despite what the media would have you believe, (working, accurate) guns are expensive, much more so than the average junkie can afford. You are more likely to be confronted with a knife (or nothing but fists), which you can defend against. Yeah, you might get cut, but its better than being raped, murdered, and dumped in the bushes. If Alameda county issued CCWs to anyone other than campaign contributors/ wealthy citizens, I’d carry a gun, too. </p>

<p>Again, the simple fact is, none of this will likely ever be necessary. But tell that to someone who was victimized. Don’t let yourself be that person, and at least you can say you put up a fight, and potentially stopped them from hurting another innocent person. I’d go with the pepper spray (like I mentioned before, Fox labs is regarded as the best) since most folks wouldn’t want to stab someone, and proper knife handling takes practice and skill. But hey, can’t hurt to have both; knives are useful tools in many different roles!</p>

<p>I got into Haas and therefore I rock!</p>

<p>P.S. If I bring a motorcycle to berkeley, it’ll probably get stolen eh?</p>