Sounds like in addition to the standard abuse, his women clerks ALSO got the special extra bonus of sexual harassment.
As many do in the military, too.
lololu, I don’t know if most are telling the truth and neither do you. The odds Some not telling a truthful tale are high as are the odds that some suffered severe harassment or abuse. If you choose to believe that women never lie or shade the truth that is fine by me. I am more of a realist.
@momofthreeboys do you think, in the SPECIFIC case of Matt Lauer, that NBC caved in to social pressure?
In general, do you believe that there should be no anonymous accusers and that they all should be willing to go public in all news media?
No I think the accuser must have had a verifiable claim of assault since he was known to have affairs and to tease via gifts and other stories in a sexual manner. If NBC caved to pressure from a disgruntled former affair participant he has a case for a large settlement.
Frankly I am more surprised by the sheer number of women who never learned how to tell pesky guys who are bugging you how to buzz off or simply say no and slam the door on any activity. I can tell you truthfully I learned that in about 5th grade. It is shocking.
He has no case for a big settlement if NBC can demonstrate that he has done some of the things he is accused of. I If NBC decision makers discovered “consensual” affairs with subordinates, that’s enough. One problem with these affairs is what happened to the women who said No to him?
My mom and I were recently talking about people we know IRL who refuse to believe women accusing men of sexual abuse and harrassment. My own theory is that those mostly staunchly supporting these men and refusing to believe accusations are either guilty of the same harrassment and abuse, or know that the men in their lives are likely to have committed the same types of abuse and harrassment.
@momofthreeboys I appreciate your point that we should have due process, and stick to the innocent-until-proven-guilty philosophy in our justice system.
Note that Lauer hasn’t been convicted of anything.
But as far as his job goes, Lauer KNEW he was playing with fire – all anchors have morality clauses in their contracts which spell out offenses that will result in dismissal. And these offenses by no means have to be proven in the court of law to result in that dismissal. Lauer is no ordinary employee. In effect he’s a massive corporate investment who lives by different rules than ordinary employees. That’s the price he pays for that $25 million a year salary. He gambled that his at the very least highly questionable behavior wouldn’t cost him his job. And he lost. I have no sympathy.
As an aside, I received an email from Mario Batali, apologizing for his regretful behavior. Then…wait for it… “PS: Here’s a recipe for Pizza Dough Cinnamon Rolls.” Thanks, Mario!
Lauer sexually assaulted a woman into unconsciousness, so she had to be helped to the nurse’s office by his assistant, after being found on the floor with her pants half down. Seems pretty clear cut to me, and surely there could be witness testimony by the assistant and the nurse.
Even if it was consensual, I would still fire him for skiving off of work and endangering the health of a fellow employee.
^yup!!! @greenwitch
Oh I don’t think accusers should be able to use the media to air their grievances anonymously. Those are primarily the ones that make me roll my eyeballs. It is very devious and vindictive not to mention passive aggressive way to get someone. If you want to keep it private and confidential then you shouldn’t be doing media interviews.
When I think of devious, vindictive, and passive aggressive, I can’t help but think of Harvey Weinstein. He was the one going behind people’s backs to wreck their reputation and career and he was also the perp!
I think HotCanary was referring to the Matt Lauer accuser being unknown to us. Should these people have to be made public? Personally, I don’t think so, although they have to expect that if they come forward in ANY capacity their names may get out by virtue of loose lips and all that.
And I don’t think NBC is caving to pressure. I think they were told something which was too hot for them to even consider letting him go on another day.
Matt lauer’s accuser has not gone to the media as far as I know. Her lawyer has but she has not or did I miss something?
They can shout it from the roof tops. A perpetrator of sexual abuse or harrassment deserves to have everyone know what he (or she) has done to other people.
Not only that, when it’s known by the public then future victims are more able to protect themselves.
Regarding Question #2: No, all accusers should not be made to go public. If someone rapes or assaults or harasses me, that was not my choice. I should be able to report his activity but still retain my own privacy. Just because I choose to report his actions doesn’t mean I should also have to put up with being questioned by the media and, perhaps, publicly shamed.
ETA: The entity to whom I’m reporting the bad activity – my employer, the media – should perform their due diligence to ensure I’m telling the truth, but that still doesn’t mean I should be outed.
Should accused rapists or or harassers be made public or only those found guilty?
The stigma of being accused of those actions does not seem to go away even when the accused is found not guilty
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Both parties are entitled to confidentiality from their companies and I support that practice for both accusers and accused. That is the right thing to do but we have entered an era where some feel it is totally acceptable to use the media to make accusations and hide. That I cannot condone. I also cannot condone lynch mobs picking up the cause for the cowardly accuser. Put it out there in the media if you are that full of conviction that your conscious is clear otherwise deal with it through appropriate channels.