One hopes Kosinski would be radioactive for a firm or law school. Wouldn’t he be a huge liability?
Considering the Boston Globe has had no issue revealing/publishing names of accused with far, far less to go on, it is quite disheartening that the editors chose to not reveal the creeps on their own staff.
According to my twitter feed, the Handbook for Clerks to Federal Judges just got updated with a blurb that it is OK to report harassment.
https://www.fjc.gov/sites/default/files/2017/Law%20Clerk%20Handbook.pdf
Betcha it is buried somewhere in there…
Did anyone catch the article in the NYTimes “When Saying Yes is Easier Than Saying No”?
I’m not sure what other people think of “gray zone sex”. I can absolutely see this happening, most especially in situations with a power imbalance. It might look like consent on the surface, but it is not full and free consent.
That article is provocative, but I worry it will be used to deflect from the main issue. The accusers we have been discussing here in this thread are alleging behavior nowhere near the gray zone.
@“Cardinal Fang”
My hope is we can find a way to communicate why an adult would “allow” or “not fight back”.
I’m thinking of the woman who went to Lauers office and felt she had no choice but to submit. Also, the woman who knew she had no choice about whether Simmons was going to force her to have sex with him.
So much criticism of those victims.
One thing a lot of men don’t realize is that women have a legitimate, well-founded fear of male violence. The Simmons victim was abducted by Simmons. She had a reasonable fear that if she fought back, Simmons would beat her up and then still rape her. Harm reduction in that case says to get out of the situation with the minimum of violence, even though “minimum violence” in the case of rape is a lot of violence.
Meanwhile, in a blue collar factory workplace…
https://jalopnik.com/sexual-misconduct-is-rampant-at-fords-chicago-plants-s-1821434362
People are saying that we’re overlooking women in low wage jobs, who are subject to the most sexual harassment/assault of all, but I’ve seen more stories about harassment/assault against low wage women in the last month than I’ve seen in the rest of my life.
Ford/GM plants are notorious for bad behavior. I have many friends and family who either work there or have retired from there.
Not a fan of the NYT article but that should be no surprise. If a woman can’t say no or goes along with something because that is the easy way out that lack of self worth is something for the woman to work on, not something to blame men for or expect men to “work on.”
I agree with you on the NYT article, with the caveat that the waters do get somewhat murkier in cases of significant power imbalance.
I don’t think any the subjects of this thread are victims of “gray” consent being turned into allegations of wrongdoing. My perspective would be very different if this were a thread about rape on college campuses.
Remember, while some of the men on this thread may wind up having charges brought against them, most of these are not allegations of rape or sexual assault. Even in the case of Weinstein, there are many accusers, but probably only a few that might be criminally actionable. However, all of the Weinstein accusers, if they are telling the truth, describe inappropriate and coercive behavior on his part. This was not just a guy dating a subordinate.
It is not harassment but it is treating women badly:
The woman host of E! news will be leaving the show. She found out that the male host was making twice what she was. Her contract was up for renewal and the show would not pay her anything close to parity so she is walking.
http://www.startribune.com/catt-sadler-to-exit-e-news/465091403/
Yeah, I part ways with @momofthreeboys on this. The Ford plant situations should never happen. I expect a different standard in a workplace where people need their job to feed their families. College campuses exist, in part, to facilitate social interaction among students so that they can grow into experienced and independent adults. We WANT the students to fall in love with each other! We want them to build relationships and stumble and learn and grow.
Factories are for grownups. They’re there to get the job done, and anybody who interferes with someone else’s work needs to get gone.
That’s a whole 'nother issue in itself. Good for Catt Sadler.
Pressing your groin against a co-worker (apparently unwanted) is not something you expect men to learn NOT TO DO?
That is not what the NYTs article was about and that is what I was responding to this morning. There were two different threads of conversation happening overnight…one regarding a NYT link and the ongoing harassment discussion.
Dude “forgot” that there is a call attendant button:
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/man-banned-from-alaska-air-after-alleged-harassment/
His defense is that he was 100% sober, not drunk, when he grabbed her butt. (Actually, he says he touched her back. But even if he’s telling the truth, which I don’t believe: keep your paws off the flight attendants, dude.)