Assault/Harassment thread

The game is still on…she will testify but only if on Thursday and BK goes first…also only to be questioned by who she agrees to I think…seems to be more delay tactics more than anything.

What BK going first do anything? She accused him. She will have to explain what she is accusing him of. She has to say what happened and how it happened as well as she can remember. Only after that, the case can be made. BK denied it. At best he doesn’t remember. What can he say about something he thinks didn’t happen or doesn’t remember? It may be painful but there’s no other way around. If I accuse my neighbor doing something in my yard, I will have to say what I think they did and why I think it’s them first before they can say anything about it. I can’t say hey you, you did something in my yard, tell the world what you did?

About who gets to ask; They are bringing in an outsider to do the questioning. Is she dictating who they can bring in?

Maybe because he is a Christian, snowball. Perhaps he takes seriously the parts of his faith that demand he reach out and forgive others. I am saddened that you think it is appropriate to take vengence against the son for the misdeeds of the father.

Just watched Joe Biden interviewed about this on the Today Show. He is a class act.

Out of curiosity, since so many parents do believe this event was disqualifying, what age would it have to occurred for it not to be so? Had BK been 13? 9? Or any age?

^^^ If he had a tantrum when he was 3 and threw a spoon and hit his sibling, he’s out! Assault!

@roycroftmom with the actions described by Dr. Ford and the lack of remorse, therapy, reparations? There is no age.

I don’t know what kind of lives people are living where they think that it’s no big deal for a 17 year old to push a 15 year old onto a bed, try to pull her clothes off and cover her mouth with his hand to keep her from screaming. I can assure people that it’s not normal behavior for teens or even younger people. It’s not normal or acceptable behavior for any age.

Never acceptable, I agree. But apparently very common. On this thread alone, many have stated they were assaulted. Actually, I think things similar to this,though now less frequent than in 1982, likely occur every month at every high school in the country. None of the parents in this event were aware of it, why would we be then or now?

So he didn’t quite rape her? What stopped him? Did she punch him?

He didn’t disrobe her, Igloo. Attempted to, and then another boy and he and the girl ended up in a big pile on the bed and she ran away. He rubbed or grinded against her while both clothed and attempted to remove her clothing. Lots of news on this.

Allegedly. One person’s allegation.

Good point, allegedly.

And she was traumatized by THAT? I am not minimizing anybody’s pain but I would imagine this is so different from getting raped. Taking this so far and putting it on the same table as rape sounds like minimizing rape itself.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/09/19/brett-kavanaugh-sexual-assault-allegation-what-court-nomination/1355686002/

@jym626 To me, it sounds like stupid rough housing rather than an attempted rape. Kids group grind at the school dance these days. And at swim meets they try to pull down each other’s swimsuits, boys and girls.

Igloo, it sounds to me like there is a tendency to minimize what is traumatic to someone else. just because you dont think you would be traumatized by something is insensitive to the fact that it could be extremely traumatic to someone else. Having worked with abuse survivors, one of the things they understand is that this is not a contest. One person’s trauma/assault is not “worse” than another’s. If it was traumatic to them, it was traumatic.And that article says nothing about “group grind”. It says he tried to tear her clothes off and she felt somewhat suffocated and extremely frightened.

It is not a contest, but lumping all actions together under the “sexual assault” label is unfair to both victims and accused.

Let them investigate and figure it out. All this armchair quarterbacking is, IMO, unhelpful. But people do it. Over and over. Sexual assault can take many forms. Minimizing something as not possibly sexual assault when it is is also unfair.

It is a tad premature to talk about his need to repent. Let’s see what she has to say when she gets to D.C. Now is not the time for her to drag her feet about speaking up about her alleged incident. Because this is no longer a prosecutable criminal action it is about character…hers as well as well as his to be honest. I believe she needs to clear up all the ambiguity before we make assumptions about either of their character. If the reason the story is so devoid of anything tangible is because both of them were drunk so neither can honestly add any facts of value then the Senators will simply have to decide if teenage drinking overides 35 years of already documented excellent service in the judiciary.

It isn’t even clear to me which when and where the high school party was the scene of the alleged assault and if it in fact they were both at the same party for heavens sake. So to make her claim that he is unfit for the Supreme Court because of a high school occurrence 36 yesrs ago there needs to be at minimum some specificity. She could have got that info out through the media by now but didn’t so needs to get to D.C. and back up the allegation. I believed her at first because it was a very believable story…teenagers, drinking, stuff happens but honestly as the days drag on and on I am beginning to wonder and it is well known I stand firmly in the innocent until proven guilty camp of Americans. We’ll see what happens today.

The point is that there is nothing to investigate. There is no evidence and he has been investigated over and over through several decades. Strangely, this never came up.