<p>Britbrat... do they ADMIT 5 students per year (and only go to a wait list if one of those 5 does not attend), or do they try to YIELD 5 per year (accepting more than 5 in order to yield that number)? Did they indicate how many audition each year?</p>
<p>Just curious for those who may be interested in this program. It is not discussed a lot on CC, and I am sure that people might like the info! :)</p>
<p>KatMT....they do not have a number limited for auditions or yield. They told us that they are looking for the very best and it has just worked out that they have only admitted 5 for the past few years. They do indeed work off a waitlist but did not commit to a firm number of yield. The program is heavy with music history and has a fair amount of opera and dance. It is a combined program between the drama dept. and the music dept. so to get accepted by the music dept is pretty tough. They do recommend sending a good quality tape (if you dont live close for an audition) for consideration because they weed out some of the candidates from the voice audition alone. Hope this helps.</p>
<p>As I sit here reading this thread, and similar ones like it in the past I think we are wasting a lot of time and effort on trying to predict the future. My son started at U Miami MT this week (still in orientation) and the entire process is still fresh in my mind. Don't worry about the yields or the numbers. Concentrate on your material for auditions. Go through the list and try to decide what programs you are interested in. We started by eliminating schools too far away. I then worked through with my son what he wanted out of college so we focused on larger schools with a wide variety of other students, living accommodations, cultures, etc. This process will winnow the numbers down to a manageable number, using whatever criteria suits your child. Then you have to critically assess your talents and academics. In our case my son had very good grades and scores in IB high school so we knew he would be academically accepted at most schools. Evaluate you finances for traveling to auditions, and the school schedule for conflicts. Make sure you have a safety non audition fall back. Again, in our case he was accepted very early to an audition program at a local school so we didn't have to worry about a safety. Once you do all these things you will have about 4-10 schools to audition for. Many of your preconceived notions will probably change once you visit the schools themselves, and overall, if you are honest with yourself about what you want and what your are capable of you will land in the right place. After your auditions are over and you are just waiting around to hear the results, then you have time to worry about the numbers because there isn't much else to do.</p>
<p>I agree, impalanut, while the yield/acceptance numbers are interesting they are not that helpful in choosing where to apply. When my daughter applied last year, we knew that the numbers were daunting; so, we didn't focus on that. We made a list that fit my D's criteria. She decided she wanted to go to a "small" liberal arts university, not a conservatory. She also did not want to live in a big city. This knocked off many popular and excellent BFA programs (UofMichigan, NYU, BoCo, CCM, PSU, etc., just to name a few.) Instead of worrying about the yields, she just tried to focus on her audition and preparing a competitive application. She also had a safety BA non-audition school and one other state university, where she applied for another degree entirely (just in case the whole MT thing didn't seem to pan out!</p>
<p>Impalanut is right on! The "numbers" are probably daunting everywhere you will apply, so why focus on them? Someone must get in to every program, so why not YOU? Nobody knows just WHY one person gets an offer while others don't. Apply to a RANGE of programs, do your best, and things WILL work out!</p>
<p>While I agree that one should not focus on the 'numbers', I find the 'numbers' interesting and appreciate when a poster shares their knowledge of various 'numbers.' And I hope posters continue to share this information. My D did not use the 'numbers' as a factor in coming up with her short list, however they will most probabaly be a consideration IF she receives more than one offer. </p>
<p>The 'numbers' supply valuable information such as the size of each MT class. Some students would be better in a small class size (i.e. 6-10 per grade) while others would prefer a large class size (i.e. over 40 students in their freshman class) </p>
<p>And inferences can be made by the numbers offered and accepted (i.e. if 12 offers are made and all 12 are accepted or if 60 offers are made and 16 are accepted.) It is important to note that the inferences made in the numbers offered and accepted obviously vary by other factors regarding the school. (If U of Mich has 12 offers/12 accepts it means something entirely different than if U of Podunk has 12 offers/12 accepts)</p>
<p>If families are letting the 'numbers' overwhelm them and taking time away from preparing for auditions this is an obvious problem. So please take the wisdom in the previous 3 posts:<br>
** concentrate on your auditions,
** compile a 'good fitting' short list including a range of programs and non-audition schools
** and remember just "Things WILL work out"</p>
<p>ALSO keep posting those numbers as some of us do find them informative. </p>
<p>THANKS</p>
<p>Well said...the numbers do have a place in decision making...it's just that they can be overwhelming & scary...and they just aren't "exact" (as you can see by the number of times posters have wanted to figure out the odds mathematically). It absolutely is important to know if the class yield is large or small...just like the other criteria is important. Some students are looking for a very small group, while others want something larger. It is also nice to know if the school chooses an extremely small number...I have talked to people who said that if they had known the small number that, for instance, CMU was going to accept, they would not have spent the money on the application/audition. So, while those numbers are an important factor, they aren't an exact science. I'm kind of glad I didn't realize what those numbers were going into it :) Best of everything to those just getting started...it's quite a ride!</p>
<p>Thought I would provide an update on Syracuse Drama for anyone interested. Latest numbers confirmed as of yesterday on campus ... out of 800+ auditioning this past spring (another number being used is 900 auditioning), the 2008-09 freshman class is comprised of 30 Acting BFAs and 25 Musical Theatre BFAs.</p>
<p>Does anyone have audition/accepted numbers for:</p>
<p>Point Park University
Marymount Manhattan
Shenandoah Conservatory
Wagner College (BA)</p>
<p>Looked back through the whole thread and didn't see anything on these schools yet...</p>
<p>I'm walking into this kind of late - first timer here. Where would I go to find a list of top 6 MT programs without a cut system?</p>
<p>MT Info 24 - I too am fairly new here, however I have read through a majority of this forumn's postings. I can tell you what the response to your inquiry will be......'Where would you go to find a list of the top 6 MT Programs?',,,,you would go do research, talk to alumi and current currents, read the many informative postings on this website, read the college's websites, review their curriculum, determine what your needs and desires are and then the Top 6 MT Programs would be those that best fit you.</p>
<p>Thanks and Good Luck</p>
<p>Many of the MT programs have a review at the end of Sophomore year. The programs that we have looked at for my s do not have an official cut program, but they do watch each student carefully to make sure that they are impoving and keeping up with the fast pace of the curriculum. I speak from personal experience as my s asked that question of each school that we visited in the last 2 weeks. They are......</p>
<p>Ball State University
Univ of Michigan
Penn State Univ.
James Madison University
Elon University
Syracuse University</p>
<p>Please feel free to PM me if you have any specific questions about any of the above mentioned school as we were just there and the information is still fresh in my mind :)</p>
<p>Regarding Syracuse, they have an evaluation at the end of sophomore year. It isn't a cut system. My daughter is beginning junior year, so I can tell you first-hand about it. PM me if you need specifics.</p>
<p>Onstage,
Since you indicate Syracuse does not have a cut system, why the evaluation and what is done with it? Does your D like Syracuse? In Freshman and Sophomore yrs. are the kids involved in any productions?<br>
Thanks for any info.</p>
<p>At Syracuse, the sophomore evaluation is done by the entire faculty to ensure that all students are making the expected progress in both classes and performance skills. Students who seem to be lagging behind their peers may be asked to re-take certain classes. Another option might be offered -- a student may have the option of switching to the BFA Acting program if musical skills are not improving. This happened to a friend of my D's -- however she discussed it with faculty, and instead will be re-taking some musical theater performance classes. It would be very unusual for a student to be cut completely from the program, and it hasn't happened in the two years my D has been at Syracuse.</p>
<p>Freshmen are not allowed to audition. In retrospect, my D was very happy about this policy. There are a number of reasons and benefits: first of all, students come from varied backgrounds. Some have a lot of training, some very little. During freshman year, acting and MT teachers work intensively with students to fill in training gaps and correct bad habits. In addition, the freshman curriculum is very intensive. My D felt she didn't need the additional stress of competing with upperclassmen for roles. And students actually do perform on a daily basis in class -- they do scene study, monologues, songs, dance performances, etc. In addition, freshmen are required to work crew on one main-stage production. They are neither isolated nor bored, believe me! And here's one last benefit that I have observed -- because freshmen are not competing with each other in auditions, they form unusually close ties with their classmates. By the time sophomore year rolls around, they are able to whole-heartedly support each other at audition time.</p>
<p>And yes, my D is absolutely thrilled with the program at Syracuse. She is doing well there, and I've seen a big improvement in her skills. Teachers who at first seemed intimidating have turned out to be extremely supportive and nurturing, and my D has also made many close friends among the students.</p>
<p>When we visited Syracuse, we also were told that some MT and acting students who do not pass their sophomore juries/evals are redirected to the bachelor of arts program, where they take more liberal arts classes and are prohibited then from taking the upper level acting and musical theater classes. I believe the system is the same or close to the same at Ithaca College.</p>
<p>Unless it has changed recently it is actually a Bachelor of Science program -- more liberal arts classes than the BFA ,but not as many as most BA programs require.</p>
<p>How is this system different from CCM?</p>
<p>KatMT, of course you are correct. At Syracuse and Ithaca, those students who are unable for various reasons to pass their sophomore juries/evals are redirected to the Bachelor of Science track, which includes more liberal arts courses and prohibits them from taking upper level acting and MT classes. I stand corrected! :)</p>
<p>Re: how the Syracuse/Ithaca system is different from CCM, well, I couldn't speak to that. My understanding (which is foggy at best, as my D did not audition for CCM) is that rather that redirecting students who don't pass evals/juries to a BS track, CCM (at least in the past) has simply cut the kids from the program, meaning that (as Heidi Klum would say), they're "aut."</p>
<p>NMR -- :) </p>
<p>Your D just started at NYU, correct? Has she started classes yet? I have had the opportunity to work with so many very talented students from NYU Tisch. I am sure she will love it!</p>