<p>Well one thing I would like to note is that as students, we tend to put too much emphasis on the quality of the student body as a way of judging the quality of the education. Now it is true that this is a very important factor, but there are a number of other factors that determine how good an education you're going to get- the teaching faculty, the resources available at the university etc. The lesson here is that we should not automatically look down on universities having less competitive admissions.</p>
<p>I am indian and i jus finished my A levels in sg. I cant apply to sg unis anymore becos of other restrictions. I am seriously considering australian unis for my undergrad studies. I need advice on which r the best unis for engineering. I am currently considering U of Melb, U of sydney and UNSW. I would like to know if these unis offer any scholarships for international students. Im also keen to know if australia has a demand for engineers. I do plan to settle down in aus if i finish my undergrad there.
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<p>vishak3110, UNSW would be a better choice for engineering</p>
<p>Depends on what type of engineering. Mining, aerospace and biological/biochemical engineering are probably the better ones at UQ. Essentially you have three top engineering schools to choose from - UQ, UNSW, and University of Western Australia. All three dominate in mining, but if you're looking for something like electrical or mechanical, UNSW would be the best option. But don't just look at the reputation - look at what the university is like. Small uni or large uni (most unis in Australia are pretty large)? Special degree options? Reputation of the faculty?</p>
<p>i am actually considering electrical or bio related engineering at the moment. What abt uni of sydney and uni of melb? what do these unis specialise? is there any chance for scholarships or financial aid in australian unis? thanks</p>
<p>For internationals, I believe there are very, very few scholarships available to help. USyd and UMelb are great universities, but I wouldn't say their engineering faculties are at the level of the three I mentioned earlier. However, UMelb and Monash are known for their biomedical emphases in the sciences, so perhaps you could take advantage of that instead?</p>
<p>For specialisations, I believe UNSW and UQ offer the greatest variety of options to choose from (I remember looking at the engineering options and they covered half a screen or something - and I have a 20" monitor).</p>
<p>"i am actually considering electrical or bio related engineering at the moment. What abt uni of sydney and uni of melb? "</p>
<p>UNSW is easily the best in Australia for Electrical Engineering.
UNSW do have a biomedical engineering department, however I do not know a great deal about it.</p>
<p>Scholarships for International Students:
UNSW
University</a> of New South Wales - - UNSW Scholarships, UNSW International
University</a> of New South Wales - - Undergraduate International First Year</p>
<p>Sydney Uni
Scholarships</a> for international students - Future Postgraduate International - The University of Sydney</p>
<p>Monash
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<p>Adelaide ( quite a decent uni)
[url=<a href="http://www.international.adelaide.edu.au/scholarships/ua/%5DThe">http://www.international.adelaide.edu.au/scholarships/ua/]The</a> University of Adelaide - International Students | International Student Scholarships](<a href="http://www.monash.edu.au/study/international/courses/scholarships.html%5DScholarships%5B/url">http://www.monash.edu.au/study/international/courses/scholarships.html)</p>
<p>Info from the Aus Govt
[url=<a href="http://studyinaustralia.gov.au/Sia/en/StudyCosts/Scholarships.htm%5DScholarships%5B/url">http://studyinaustralia.gov.au/Sia/en/StudyCosts/Scholarships.htm]Scholarships[/url</a>]</p>
<p>Remember to also apply to the better US universities (Sadly, they ARE better than the better Australian universities ).
There is a chance ( small, but non-zero) of getting financial aid at MIT, Caltech, Princeton, Harvard, Berkeley, Stanford, CMU, Oalin etc.</p>
<p>thanks alot for the info ppl. I guess its too late to apply for US unis now.. I would like to know if australia has good prospects for engineers? If i were to take up electrical or bio related engin would i be able to find a suitable job? Would the degree be of value even in the long term? Thanks</p>
<p>my gosh how did i miss this post? this is fertile ground for some serious discourse lol</p>
<p>erm mickey do you live in parallel universe? ah icic so in your world USYD is called Harvard and UNSW is known as Cambridge. so NUS takes the place of USYD and NTU is named UNSW. and of course US means Australia</p>
<p>ok just let me play around with the terms and come up with an equivalent meaning of your post in our universe </p>
<p>ok here it goes.....Most students in selective high schools tend to opt for NUS or NTU which are vastly superior. Few australians opt for australian universities and most top students don't even apply to UNSW or USYD. Such is the confidence in the quality of life and the quality of NTU & NUS even in comparison to the USYDs of this world.</p>
<p>ahhh such is the penetrating insight of your post that thru my translation we are merely scratching the surface of its profound and sagacious nature....most prudent comment in my opinion</p>
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<p>The belief that Australian universities are not up to scratch is due to the fact they are eager to accept foreign students even with poor grades but are able to pay full fees. This arises from the focus of building the tertiary education sector as a key export industry; which it has become ($9.2 billion in 2006 if I'm not mistaken). </p>
<p>Truth is Sydney and UNSW have achieved significantly more than NUS but because a student with BBC is rejected by NUS but accepted by UNSW there is a misconception that they are weaker. Another key factor for Australia is that it is arguably the best country in the world to live in which Singapore is far from being. It regularly uses its riches to copy key features of global cities such as Sydney or New York. It is perhaps the most inured to globalization so if you enjoy study, work and shopping then more power to you. This is not an attack on Singaporeans but generally if they can't hold on to the false belief that they have the best education system in the world or one that only ranks behind Harvard and Oxbridge than what would they have? </p>
<p>Another thing is that few Australian go abroad and most top students don't even apply to top U.S universities or Oxbridge. Such is the confidence in the quality of life and the quality of UNSW or USYD even in comparison to the Harvards of this world. What is also important in keeping top Australian students is the Commonwealth Fee paying scheme which basically thanks to Singaporeans and the like, Australian students for the most part are paying half if not less than what is considered 'full' by attending a local university. There was an article on Sydney Morning Herald - Business News, World News & Breaking News in Australia that reported on foreign students with poor English being passed just so that they continue their education to essentially pay for the Australian students and well, help the local economy. </p>
<p>A choice of an Australian university should be made based on the quality of alternative education which is truly on available in the U.S or U.K and in the upper echelons of those institutions at that. The lifestyle and culture in Australia should also be considered as well as the costs. Admittedly Singapore is a much cheaper place to live in but they do discriminate against Westerners whereby Americans and Australian students studying in primary/secondary schools are charged much higher school fees than other foreigners. I would imagine Singapore universities will not differ greatly from this approach and from ex-alumni of NUS that studied medicine, they are unable to gain recognition for their degrees in other countries but this may by misleading. </p>
<p>The reputation of Australian universities to basically answer the topic question is varied across the world. In South-east Asia is where its reputation is in doubt but in other more notable regions (Americas, Europe, East Asia and etc) there is much respect afforded to Australian qualifications.
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<p>longbowmen, you seem to spend copious and prodigious amounts of time on this forum and yet all that your able to produce is drivel that is accompanied by horrendous grammar and a unique take on spelling.
What experience have you of an Australian university to give you any right to comment on them ? It seems you rarely leave your room not to mention your city. </p>
<p>Perhaps my previous post could be seen as a diatribe against Singapore or Singaporeans. However, I'm simply attempting to offer a perspective on Australian universities against one that I'm familiar with.</p>
<p>My apologies, I couldn't be bothered to read the posts immediately following my original post on this thread but I'm sure there are many flaws in my argument but then again I'm just posting a forum. I have no obligation to be completely factual and neutral in my comments.
My take is that an education at a top Australian university would be superior to any university bar the top tier (HYPMSOC, etc.).
The extensive contributions to science and technology by Australian researchers are proof alone and to add to that there is the Australian lifestyle that students will enjoy. It must be said that this will differ person to person but Australia is one of the more livable places.
The Australian government is at fault for the declining reputation of the universities through limited spending on tertiary education which makes the universities more inclined to seek the foreign dollar. </p>
<p>This forum and the posters are no more credible than longbowmen with his endless reign of stupidity. Simply be exhaustive in your consideration of university options by thoroughly checking individual university websites, visiting the campus, speaking to education representatives from the embassy and etc. </p>
<p>longbowmen, please don't send me your idiotic reply via pm if you have already posted it. Oh wait the reasons why may be too complex for your understanding. </p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>while i personally think that longbowmen is a nut, he makes a very salient point in this thread.</p>
<p>you want personal experiences? just about every singaporean we know who studies at an australian university is a 3rd-rate student who couldn't secure a place in a local university, much less a top us/uk one. the only obvious exceptions are in certain specialised courses like radiology and vet. science.</p>
<p>when pointed out that the arguments you previously made were deceptive, instead of justifying them, you resort to ad hominem attacks, truly a sign of the greatness and defensibility of the australian university system.</p>
<p>^ ehhh i think we could do away with the nut association lol....</p>
<p>so mickeydean, what experience do YOU have with UK/US universities, or for that matter SG unis (i quote "Harvards of this world", "vastly superior to SG unis") to be absolutely certain of the quality of Aus unis in comparison?</p>
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<p>wow thats considered a perspective on Aus unis as well? </p>
<p>well that indeed gave me a shocking perspective on the intellectual capacity of certain Aussies</p>
<p>nobody here is belittling Aus unis or doubting its ability to provide a quality education....its the absolutely moronic worldview that USYD is somehow on par with "the harvards of this world" that we're against</p>
<p>p.s. talk bout horrendous grammer? your prev post is up there for all to enjoy =)</p>
<p>^^</p>
<p>actually, i'd like to qualify the rhetoric in my previous posts.</p>
<p>i'm sure that australian universities are of at least a certain standard; for one, it seems that, with the help of beneficial funding schemes, manage to keep a very high proportion of local students in-country. but with regards to the thread's title, i do think that, quality of education aside, global reputation is negatively impacted because of ease of entry for foreigners. you might argue that this shouldn't adversely affect one's view, but the reality is that it does, and to a large extent.</p>
<p>i apologise for the tone of my outburst, which was provoked by your irrelevant and false aspersions on the singaporean education system (but which were nevertheless not a justification)</p>
<p>seem like alot of ppl here is from Singapore debating about it.</p>
<p>how many like bearpooh is located in Australia? It will interesting to see it from an Australia pt of view that had gone outside Australia.</p>
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<p>err so why apply to Princeton and Columbia? LOL</p>
<p>ppl i have got this confusion now.. unimelb had offered me common engineering where i will have to choose the specialisation at the start of 2nd year. However UNSW has offered electrical engin.. Which one would be a better choice? Both didnt offer scholarship, so in terms of cost there are pretty same... The general info i got was that UNSW and unimelb always take the 1st or 2nd rank for engineering in australia.. Wat i heard was that UNSW is better for technical education while unimelb is better for research education.. Hence im in a great dilemma on which to choose now.. I was thinking that it would abit more wise to take up common engin as it would allow me to understand the employment situation in australia and then make a wise decision.. wat do u say?</p>
<p>What about taking "Living Environment" as your consideration? As in the differences between living in Sydney and Melbourne.</p>
<p>What kind of bull is this, arguing whether Australian universities are better than Singaporean ones? I'm sure both offer world-class education; every needs to just relax.</p>
<p>I'm also planning to apply to Australian universities, with my choice of major being economics-related. I'm a bit surprised that ANU is considered a safety since its ranking is at the top. Is Canberra that bad?</p>
<p>No, Canberra's pretty good as a student town. Small, well planned out, safe, two universities, AWESOME drink prices, marijuana plants and fireworks are legal. It's just... that's it. It's got nothing else. I mean it is our centre of government, but that's it. Nothing really goes on. It also takes hours to drive out to anywhere interesting as it was specifically chosen as being right in the middle between Sydney and Melbourne (ie. a city built by just drawing it on a map - and it literally was planned out by someone just drawing it).</p>
<p>ANU is ranked highest because it's a premier research university. It works in close conjunction with almost every top Australian research company's head office as they're all based near the government buildings in Canberra. Science is great at ANU, as is history, teaching and some bio engineering.</p>
<p>For economics, I'd definitely suggest University of Sydney or Melbourne. Probably moreso Sydney as you'll be closer to the centre of Australia's economic and business district and thus making it easier to score jobs and internships after college. The professors also generally have a better reputation.</p>
<p>^Thanks for that last bit of info. I'm also thinking about UNSW but I'm not so sure. For international students applying to Australian universities, why isn't there a system like the Common App or UCAS? That alone makes me think that I should just apply to one place over there. And do Australian universities outweigh AP/SAT scores over GPA/EC like British universities?</p>