<p>Can anyone tell what is the average SAT score total for those accepted into CAS - for ED & RD class of 2012?</p>
<p>Penn's press release said the average SAT was 2,153 so that has to include Wharton (on the high end) and candidates with hooks. Trying to get an idea on what the ideal range would be for an unhooked, but solid all rounder.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>More important than taking out Whartonites, you'd want to take out recruited athletes, making the average SAT score higher.</p>
<p>that's what i meant to ask didn't put it properly: if you take out Whartonites and candidates with hooks such as URM, athletes, legacies, exceptional artistic talent etc. what is the range, or average SAT score.</p>
<p>ie if you are unhooked what would be the average SAT & GPA also.</p>
<p>That's a very tough question and I don't think you'll find a definitive answer. Penn will certainly not give out that type of information.</p>
<p>That said, I feel as if I'm what you would call an "unhooked" average Penn student. My SATs: 2150 not super-scored, one sitting. My GPA: 97.5</p>
<p>it would actually be better to take out the engineers who probably have the highest sat scores. taking out the wharton kids and the athletes is pretty redundant.</p>
<p>Biocem8, I don't think you are average at all, (seen your post about your involvement in Chemistry). In my view your passion for it makes it your hook. And 2150 is 98 percentile. Since 2150 is in the mid 50% of their published SAT range, my conclusion, if you are really strong in one area, you can be in the mid-50% (especially if you intend to study in that area at Penn)</p>
<p>crashingwaves: the reason I wanted to take out those 2 categories are that one might skew the numbers at the high end, and the other group on the lower end. But like Biochem8 said, I think there is no definitive answer. (just as we can only guess what the CAS vs Wharton/SEAS/Nursing acceptance rates are within the 29% ED or 16% RD acceptance rates)</p>
<p>Keep in mind also that although the average Math scores are no doubt higher in Wharton and SEAS, the average CR and Writing scores are probably higher for CAS (at least that was how it used to be for the old SAT Verbal test when they still released scores for the individual schools, if memory serves).</p>
<p>yes that would make sense that CR & Writing would be higher at CAS than Wharton & SEAS. What would be the minimum score for Math if CR + Writing is 1500+ for a student aspiring for CAS?</p>
<p>Is there an average ACT score also published for Penn 2012? They say for 2011 mid 50% is 31-34; so average is probably 32-33?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>If you're not an athlete, 700 for each section minimum (unless you have like 800 and 650). Legacies can be on the lower end of this but still need to break 1400. And I would say...without an exceptional ECs/legacy, 1500 for M+CR is a good cutoff. I know there are exceptions, but still a good rule.</p>
<p>A minimum for M with CR+W at 1500+ would be maybe 650. Anything below 650 generally looks bad on any section.</p>
<p>thanks jelly88. Is your data specific to recent Penn accepted students to CAS?</p>
<p>M+CR of 1,500 puts you in a very elite club. Not as much as CR + W of 1,500, but good to know that with this level, you have a shot with less than 700 on Math. Would ED candidates have a less stringent cutoff than 1500?</p>
<p>Would you have an idea for ACT cutoffs by section or total for Penn?</p>
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I don't think there are any statistics on applicant pools ED or RD. One close friend who works at Stanford admissions told me several years ago (when Stanford had ED) that the pool at ED is much stronger than RD. Seems like all the vals in CA high schools apply ED at Stanford.</p>
<p>For what it's worth, then-Dean of Admissions Lee Stetson reported the following to the Penn Trustees regarding the Class of 2011:</p>
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About 48% of the class was admitted during early decision, and for the first time the early decision pool of admitted and enrolled students was stronger than the regular decision pool of admitted and enrolled students.
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<p><a href="http://www.archives.upenn.edu/primdocs/upa/upa1_1/2000to09/20070615tr.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.archives.upenn.edu/primdocs/upa/upa1_1/2000to09/20070615tr.pdf</a> (top of page 6)</p>
<p>that article was interesting. Thanks!</p>
<p>Maybe they admit the strong profile kids that are close to the 75th percentile or better on tests & defer kids closer to the 50th percentile. During RD, the fact that the applied ED may be in their favor if a similar candidate applies, at least they know they are likely to get a better yield if they admit the deferred ED kid. I thought maybe that they would admit the ED kid with slightly less scores because of the commitment factor. But with all schools having such qualified applicant pools, that no longer is a reason to admit or a tip factor. it seems like either you make the cut or not. What both of you are saying is alluding to the same fact - ED pool stronger than RD applicants at both Stanford and Penn. If you are not spectacular, but are above average, you apply and hope to at least be deferred.</p>
<p>Who knows??? All conjecture, oh to be a fly on the wall in an admissions office!</p>
<p>^ For the Class of 2011, 14% of deferred ED applicants were admitted RD:</p>
<p>Penn</a> Admissions: Incoming Class Profile</p>
<p>That's a bit higher than the overall RD acceptance rate, but not much.</p>
<p>And regarding a fly on the wall in an admissions office, someone actually did that 10 years ago at Penn:</p>
<p>High</a> drama in the office of admissions | csmonitor.com</p>
<p>Of course, the numbers in that article are WAY out of date. :)</p>
<p>45 percenter, you have the coolest links. I saw this CS article sometime back and couldn't find it, thanks!</p>
<p>26% of their incoming freshmen had a CR score of 750-800 & 20% had a score 700-740; so 46% of their freshmen have a CR score of 700+ Extending the same logic, 39% had a Math score of 700+; and 48% had a WR score of 700+. Then why is the 25th percentile for Math higher than CR & WR when only 39% have a score of 700+ Their grid showing the 25-75th percentile and the detailed grid do not seem consistent? Am I following this logic correctly?</p>
<p>For 2012, the SAT 2,153 average published - is that their mid 50 percentile? When they say average can you say this is also the middle 50%?</p>
<p>Sorry if I confused this a lot more. And thanks for any insight!</p>
<p>No, what that means is that 26% of the kids with a CR score of 750-800 were admitted (and conversely, that 74% of the kids with a CR score in that range were rejected). I know it's confusing the way that table is labeled, but that's the only way it makes sense (same goes for the class rank table, e.g., 38% of the valedictorians who applied were admitted, and 62% of the vals were rejected).</p>
<p>Average is different from median. Average (or mean), if they're using the term correctly, means the number obtained when you add all the scores of the admitted kids together, and then divide by the number of admitted kids. The median (or 50th percentile), is the point at which the same number of kids scored below it as scored above it, which is different from the average/mean. The middle 50% is the range between the 25th percentile score and the 75th percentile score. Some people on this board split the difference between the 25th and 75th percentile scores and call that the median, but that's really only an approximation of the median.</p>
<p>I just noticed that it does say at the top "percent admitted". I believe some colleges actually show the actual stats of the freshmen as a % of incoming class. But most probably show it the way Penn has.</p>
<p>So overall for Penn, Writing scores had the highest % accepted, , followed by CR and then Math. It appears that overall, Math is the least important of the 3 sections. Of course for Wharton and SEAS those numbers could be exactly opposite.</p>
<p>I do the same, take the mid-point and assume it is the median but as you say, it is only an approximation. But it does have some relation to their published average of 2,137 for class of 2011. If you add up the mid-points of each section it = 2,130 (CR 700 + M725 + W705). Only off by 7 pts. </p>
<p>I think from deliberating this topic, it has become somewhat clear that if the average Math score is 725 for all admitted students, which includes SEAS and Wharton, then the average for CAS has to be lower than 725. Conversely CR & Writing averages will probably be higher than the averages shown above for CAS.</p>
<p>I scored a 2160 last September on my first and only sitting for the SAT so far(M-700/CR-720/W-740). This was after an intensive SAT PREP course last summer. I didn't think that I could do much better, so I decided not to sit for the SAT again. Instead, I focused on my SAT II's (US History 780, Math 1 760, Spanish 740; still waiting to take Biology) and AP exams (English, Spanish, and Biology; US History from last year -5).</p>
<p>I have good EC's, excellent GPA (unweighted 4.0/weighted something like a 4.875), and I think will have strong teacher recs.</p>
<p>I'm interested in applying ED to CAS. </p>
<p>Was it a mistake NOT to take the SAT again? Do a have a decent chance for admission into Penn?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>How do you have an unweighted 4.0 gpa? ... you have straight 100s throughout high school? ...</p>
<p>Probably because some schools have 4.0 as 95+ or 97+</p>