<p>Does the average person realize that cornell is in the ivey league???? It seems like most outside the north east might not. i think, harvard, princeotn, yale, columbia, and maybe darmouth, are synonymous with ivey league. But that cornell and brown are sometimes not realized to be ivey. is that a fair assessmenst?</p>
<p>Does it matter whether they are or are not? The whole Ivy and prestige illusion really misleads and deludes people, so much that they end up posting threads like this. I'm not trying to be mean, but it doesn't matter.</p>
<p>The average "man on the street" probably could only name Harvard, Yale and Princeton as members of the Ivy League. Now, it certainly depends upon where that street is located; for example, if it were in Europe or Asia you could add NYU to the list. ( To stoneimmaculate: New York City is very prominent in the world and many Asians and Europeans know that NYU is in NYC and mistakenly believe it to be an Ivy). To other readers: The NYU reference, although very real, is intended to be humorous.</p>
<p>all that matters is what employers know about what the ivy league schools are, and i can assure you they are well aware Cornell is in the Ivy League. reason for that being most of them are probably Cornell alums.</p>
<p>NYU? where does that come from?</p>
<p>anyways, the people that matter will know and it's certainly not that big of a deal.</p>
<p>So, just out of curiosity, who here do you suppose speaks for "the average man" ? Or has some sort of global insight into this question, beyond their own limited direct little impression?</p>
<p>Speaking solely for myself, and not "the average man": I realize it.
But then I earned two degrees there.</p>
<p>My own guess would be that Cornell is better known, overall, than Dartmouth and Brown. Because it is quite a bit larger, and has well-known graduate and professional schools. Its programs in areas such as agriculture, architecture, hotel management and engineering are well known internationally. The others don't have this, so much. Columbia I don't know, it's got that whole NYC thing.</p>
<p>But I don't have any particular insight here.</p>
<p>But anyway, who cares who they play football (badly) against ?</p>
<p>And it's "Ivy".</p>
<p>I'm inclined to agree with many of the above, though sadly at my high school, very few were even aware of Cornell or that it was a member of the Ivy League, for that matter.</p>
<p>I've lived in the Northeast and the Southeast, and Cornell is very respected and known as an Ivy in both. However, people need to remember that "Ivy" is merely a sports league, and the schools in it all happen to have excellent academics. In fact, at my school in New York, the most popular school for students to go to is Cornell.</p>
<p>Yeah it has been my experience that Cornell is more readily known as an Ivy than Dartmouth, Brown and UPenn by the average person. Before I even attended Cornell or even considered applying. I remember being at work and for some reason people were naming Ivy League schools and Cornell was named along with HYP, Columbia before people had to really think hard.</p>
<p>Pretty much no "average" person where I come from knows about Brown/Penn/Dartmouth. Of course, I think New Yorkers naturally know more about Columbia and Cornell than other schools.</p>
<p>most people i know forget about Penn and Columbia. Cornell is pretty well known....</p>
<p>however i did work at a hotel where some of the people i worked with had no idea a university named Cornell existed. Granted they were 19 years old, but still.</p>
<p>that is not why i (or most of us here) want to go to Cornell so all is well.</p>
<p>When I told people where I was going to college (friends, random people in my high school, parents friends, other random people either my father or I started a conversation with), they all heard of Cornell. Could they have just been afraid to reveal their ignorance? Perhaps, but the majority of the people said "Ah, the Ivy League."</p>
<p>Many people think that the Ivy League consists of:</p>
<p>Harvard, Yale, Princeton
Johns Hopkins
Univ of Chicago
Notre Dame
Amherst
Penn State</p>
<p>So honestly, I wouldn't be worried that much about Cornell. BTW, Cornell is the best Ivy for undergraduates besides HYP and (maybe) Dartmouth.</p>
<p>I'm honestly surprised that so many don't "think" of Columbia as an Ivy League. Over here in Southern California, it seems like for many (NOT everyone, just from personal observation/experience), Ivy League = Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia.</p>
<p>In terms of name recognition and prestige in the mind of the hypothetical 'man on the street' I think the order would be:</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale
MIT
Princeton
Stanford
Columbia</p>
<p>Beyond that it would be dictated by regional influences and sports teams. I bet many on the street would not know which one was academically better- Notre Dame or Cornell (or Brown or Dartmouth).</p>
<p>Penn suffers a lot from having the same name as the State in which it is located. </p>
<p>Harvard would be a lot less prestigious if it were Massachusetts University.</p>
<p>You are correct except Columbia would definitely be off the list. After HYPSM, you have Notre Dame, Penn State, Cornell, Johns Hopkins, Michigan, Northwestern, Georgetown and many other schools at the top of the "man on the street" "prestige" list. This was confirmed several years ago by actual polls.</p>
<p>"remember that "Ivy" is merely a sports league, and the schools in it all happen to have excellent academics. In fact, at my school in"</p>
<p>the ivy league is much more than a sports league. while the league may be "officially" just that, it has evolved to be known as a collective group of prestigious academic units, all of which are consistently ranked as among the best universities in the world. </p>
<p>and, when people refer to the ivy league, i'm almost certain that 99.9% of the time they're not referring to athletics.</p>
<p>^I agree. I'm tired to people saying that the Ivy League is "just a sports league." There is a reason that Stanford, MIT, Notre Dame, etc. are sometimes confused for the Ivy League. It's because the Ivy League has become synomymous with excellent academics (as well as less flattering things like elitism).</p>
<p>Fine but Cornell's academics are no more or less excellent, either in or out of the Ivy League.</p>
<p>And Stanford's academics are no more or less excellent, in or out of the Ivy League.</p>
<p>A lot of people seem to have figured out that : Northwestern,. Duke, Chicago, MIT, Georgetown, Williams, Wellesley, etc. have pretty decent academics, but they don't play in the Ivy league do they?</p>
<p>So it seems that schools can be assessed accurately independent of their league affiliations, and in some cases the matter is confused by the masses in any event.</p>
<p>So again, who cares who they play football (badly) against.</p>
<p>THis question is so irrelevant. </p>
<p>Firstly you spelled IVY wrong.</p>
<p>Secondly does it matter? we all know there are schools like amherst, duke, northwestern who are on par with the ivys. </p>
<p>So it should be more about whether YOU fit Cornell than if Cornell fits into the IVY league.</p>