Back-Up Plans?

<p>I know most of you have children in an MT program, or are in an MT program yourself, and I have a quick question for you: </p>

<p>After reading another forum on a different website, I began to worry about my choices and how those choices could completely change my future. MT is my passion, and I don't see myself doing anything else with my life at this point. However, after reading a forum about the statistics of working actors with paying jobs at this moment, I began to think about how majoring in MT or any artistic field could be a negitive in the future. I come from a school where 100% of the students attend college after graduation, many going to the Ivies and other very impressive schools. However, I do not come from a school where it is common to pursue the arts after college, not to mention actually going to college to get a degree in an art form! </p>

<p>I guess my question is, how did you, or your S or D, decide that MT was such a strong passion that they were willing to do anything to get through it and completely pursue it? I'm passionate about performing, really I am, I'm just scared that after I've finished college (hoping that I get into a MT program in the first place), I won't be able to find a job and I won't have anything but a BFA or something to fall back on! Did anyone concider different degrees in different fields with a minor in theatre or something of that nature? I've also read that sometimes it is wise to study to become a drama teacher, so you can still pursue the field you're interested in, but have a teaching degree to fall back on? </p>

<p>What are the general thoughts on this?</p>

<p>I personally have experienced almost your exact situation, (come from a great school, 100% college attendance, we have about 10 ivies out of a class of 107 right now) and its not common to pursue the arts in college (I'm the first BFA MT ever). </p>

<p>I decided to be realistic about the matter. I've always studied hard, and I enjoy learning multiple subjects. So I figured...why not double major? If you are worried about this whole thing, placing all your eggs in one basket (a strictly conservatory program) might not be the best thing. That's why I chose the schools I did (they all, for the most part, had a liberal arts component). I figured I essentially double majored in high school, (all AP classes, and a bunch of EC's), so I wanted to keep this up in college...as it is what has made me happy. </p>

<p>As a result, I'm going to a school where you don't get double degrees, but you can double major. I plan to double major (or if time makes this not feasible minor) in Law or something related. My orignal career goal was to be a Lawyer, and I figured there's enough acting as a lawyer in the court room that maybe...if I decide to go to law school, that BFA training will come in handy. </p>

<p>If you have any questions, feel free to PM me about this. Hope this helps.</p>

<p>Chris</p>

<p>This goes back a long way, and it doesn't directly involve MT, but I've always found it an inspiring story. Chris' post brought it to mind.</p>

<p>I had a friend in law school (I don't practice law, but that's another long tale...) whose dream had always been to be an opera singer. He'd studied voice for years but didn't major in it; he went to an Ivy and majored in, I think, English. He decided to go to law school for two reasons: (1) if his opera career didn't work out, he'd have a fallback, and (2) if his opera career did work out, a law school background could help him to get into something like opera administration in later years. Throughout law school, he kept studying voice and giving occasional recitals -- in other words, he was still pursuing his opera training quite seriously.</p>

<p>After graduating and passing the bar, he went to work for a major NY law firm. He stayed for two or three years, still managing to study voice, and then said: OK. It's time. It's now or never to try to make it in opera. And he quit the firm.</p>

<p>Since then -- this was roughly 26 years ago -- he's had a steady and very respected opera career. He's not one of the household opera names, but he's performed all over the world and earned excellent notices. He's also worked with young opera students/singers.</p>

<p>If he'd stayed at that law firm, he would have made WAAAYYY more money...and probably have felt miserable and unfulfilled. Instead, he took his great talent and his powerful dream, pursued the dream in a way that was circuitous and difficult but also thoughtful, and made it come true.</p>

<p>bdwaybound...This topic comes up here often and I understand why. The notion that a degree, let alone a BFA degree, in theater is risky in terms of job prospects down the line...that's the school of thought I hear often in the general public. And it is true that getting performance jobs involves very difficult odds, no doubt about that. </p>

<p>But I look at this quite a bit differently. I'm a parent, by the way. I don't care WHAT subject my kids major in when they are in college. I want them to study whatever subject interests them. Who am I to tell someone else what to study? It is crucial to me that a person picks what THEY want to learn about in college, not what someone else tells them to or not to have someone else tell them they can't or shouldn't go into a field because the prospects for work are slim even though that's what they love to study and do more than any other area. Why would I stop that? I wouldn't WANT to. As well, later in life, someone can resent not getting to have studied or gone for a field they truly wanted to do. (side note....the parent of one of my oldest D's very close college friends has both an undergraduate and graduate degree in architecture from MIT...both these degree programs were heavily demanding....she told me she NEVER wanted to go into that but her parents wanted her to...she never practiced architecture and in fact, is now an accomplished choreographer and founding and artistic director of an opera company that puts on original operas and she has worked for some well know arts production places....nothing close to what she spent years studying in college and grad school) </p>

<p>To me, you go to college to learn...for the experience and the education. What you major in is not the end all and be all. You gain an education and you also delve deeply into a specialty (in this case, musical theater training). Many people major in something in college that is not the same as their eventual career field. But they have that education. They become an educated thinker, skilled in certain areas, etc. They are employable by nature of being educated and skilled. Many skills learned in theater transfer to many job areas in many fields. I once posted here a list of skills learned in theater that transfer to various careers...from an article given out at the Syracuse auditions in fact. So, I don't worry in the sense that I know my children got an education and that is worth many things....the experience itself.....the learning....and that an education can take you places that someone without an education may not be able to go (though it is true in terms of theater, that one must not have a college degree). </p>

<p>Anyway, talking from personal experience, I have a kid who is also a very good academic student like you are. Optimally, her college criteria was to have conservatory style training but in a setting that allowed for some liberal arts, and that the academic setting be a more challenging/selective learning environment. That was ONE of the appeals for her in NYU/Tisch on her list of college criteria. While a BFA student does not study the same amount of liberal arts courses as a BA student, her program does allow for a significant number of liberal arts courses she chooses. Conceivably you could double major though that is very difficult (some do do it) but you can minor in another subject as well. I don't know that my D will do that. But again, another personal reflection that doesn't necessarily apply to every other individual but it is just an example...my D LIKES other things and is skilled at other things....being a musical theater actress is not the ONLY job she will be able to do after graduating even though that is what she will be striving for ideally. But she happens to excel at writing and loves it. She likes to create shows, produce them, direct them, musical direct, choreograph, and so forth. She is an accomplished pianist and is into songwriting and performing material outside the MT genre. Piano bars, cabarets, concerts....also appeal. She arranges music and has worked as an accompanist. She also works teaching MT for children. She's involved in and enjoys leadership in the arts and also social change through the arts. She is only 17 and so I don't know what else she will be interested in or be skilled at but I KNOW she can do more than perform on a stage. I'm not worried if she will ever be able to get work in a general sense. I know it will be VERY difficult to get continual work on stage but if that is not steady for her, she can do other things. Her education will never have been a waste either for the experience, the learning, or the preparation it gave her to take on all sorts of work. </p>

<p>Success is not narrowly defined in such a linear fashion that a BFA in MT is only worthwhile if one gets on Broadway or something. Few will achieve that. But I do believe that her BFA in MT and her education at NYU/Tisch will be a catalyst in her background that will be beneficial to her in her pursuits down the line. </p>

<p>Ask around at these BFA programs about what graduates are doing five years out...many will be working in theater jobs...some on stage, some in related areas...and some will be doing other things. I could say that probably about ANY college major! </p>

<p>One thing, however, is if you are NOT sure about it....a BFA may not be for you. But if you can't imagine studying anything else as your focus in college and where you live, eat and breathe theater every day, then it might be what you HAVE to do because you are driven to do so and nobody could talk you out of it. Frankly, I feel nobody should. For my D, a BFA program in MT is a perfect fit for what she wants to do now and later, but also MT is the core of her being and there is no way to rip that core out...it is who she is. I wouldn't attempt to change a thing about that. I also don't see a degree as being about a ticket to a job. Nothing is certain in any field. But an education NEVER hurts. </p>

<p>Susan</p>

<p>ArtsyMom, that is a GREAT story. It is funny that you posted at the same time and my post had a story of someone who studied undergrad and grad at MIT but always wanted to be in the arts and is now quite a success in the arts. </p>

<p>Here's another....my D was fortunate to work with a stage director/choreographer when she performed an opera with various symphony orchestras around the country. This guy has choreographed for many well known ballet companies and opera companies and also fairly recently on Broadway for a musical. I know at one point he even taught ballet at Barnard because a student from here had him for ballet there. His degree is in cellular biology from Columbia! I imagine he may have been pressured to go that route but his passion and talents are in choreograhy and staging and that is what he does and he has many credits that are significant.</p>

<p>I don’t know about this business of worrying about having something to fall back on in terms of your college major. It’s not like there are many degrees you can get that will guarantee you a good paying job. It’s always more who you know than what you know even in the most secure occupations. A BFA is a perfectly good education in and of itself and you really can’t do much with most degrees without some kind of grad school. Even with a Masters, there are no guarantees with most majors except things like engineering and nursing. Interestingly, a BFA is one of the few majors that truly gets you ready for a specific line of work though jobs happen to be scarce. Why fall back, anyway? "Attack backwards?" Hrmmmm ... NO! MOVE FORWARD! URRAH! Charge! </p>

<p>If you want something to fall back on, there are all kinds of skills you can learn to support yourself that don’t require a college degree. Bleh … I hate the way this society makes us plan which yoke we’re gonna wear for the rest of our lives while we're too young and not clairvoyant enough to know … Hey! Maybe there is some value in taking Anthropology classes! ;) Anyway, randomness aside, there is one thing every single teacher I’ve had who has worked in professional theatre has told me … If you can imagine yourself doing anything else, do that. It’s a tough life, this theatre thing.</p>

<p>Well put, fishbowlfreshman! There are few guarantees in any field at all. My husband is an electrical engineer who had excellent grades, did graduate work in circuitry, and has tremendous amounts of pratical skill - meaning he can build what he designs (as many small firms with in-house production plants desire). However, the "white-collar" recession hit us hard a few years ago, and he was laid off when his company folded unexpectedly and was out of work for 11 months. Not only was that extremely difficult financially, but it was really difficult for him emotionally, since as an engineer, he had never even begun to contemplate being out of work. The idea that there are "always" jobs in a particular field should be qualified with these additions:</p>

<p>There are always jobs in (X field) IF you are willing to move ANYWHERE and work for a LOW salary. </p>

<p>The above is true in engineering and other "guaranteed" fields, like nursing and other aspects of health care - even my current field of grad study, Speech-Language Pathology, where the projected employment rate is 100% for the forseeable future. But that means 100% if you will work in any setting (nursing home, etc. - no guarantee I can get a hospital or clinic job), in any geographic area (Pittsburgh, for example, is inundated with SLP's because of the presence of several grad programs in the field), for a salary below the national norm.</p>

<p>Food for thought - and among the reasons why I encourage my students to TRY MT in college if it is their true passion. It's a MAJOR - and like fishbowl freshman said, it's not like there are any guarantees with many, many other majors. Take it from a former history PhD fellow! ;)</p>

<p>THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! </p>

<p>What would I do without all of you here at CC?! You have all given me a completely different perspective on this entire issue! Thanks so much for the encouragement and advice!</p>

<p>Fishbowl...I love the notion you gave of moving forward rather than attacking backward! I don't recall either of my kids discussing back up plans. They are going for "it" now. They are realistic about odds of jobs in their fields but it doesn't deter them and for now, they will seek their fields and hope it works out. If it doesn't, they will deal with it then but know that their education is about more than their major. They are capable of more than one skill. They know a learned mind can be used in many areas. Many folks today are not working in their exact college major field. So, I'm with ya on the "Charge!!" :D</p>

<p>fishbowl, you are a very articulate young person, and I agree that having to "decide which yoke to wear" at such an early age is not realistic for most young people, heck I'm old and I still don't know what I want to be. But the reality is you should try to follow your passion. And if that does not work out, how many people with degrees in early european literature are working in that field?</p>

<p>The one thing I don't want -- for my MT D -- if for her to look back at some point in her life and say "What if?" Regret for the road and the chances not taken can taste very, very bitter. Better to "go for it" and see where your talent, hard work and luck take you, than to stick to the safe road from the beginning "just in case" that dream of being a performer doesn't pan out. Like soozievt, I would never presume to tell my children what they should study in college or what career they ought to pursue. It's <em>their</em> lives! I know several people my age whose parents threatened NOT to pay for college or give any emotional support if their children majored in history or English at college, rather than "practical" subjects like business or marketing. That just seems so, so wrong to me. Will every person who graduates from college with a BFA in MT or acting be able to support himself or herself as a performer? No, they won't. That's the reality. But those skills acquired along the way are very, very marketable. It's not my job as a parent to tell my children <em>what</em> to do and to be; it's my job to help them, insofar as I am able, to make <em>their</em> dreams come true.
Respectfully,
Lisa</p>

<p>The key thing is that you will have a degree. If life leads you down a different path than a music theatre career, so be it, but once you have those letters behind your name, they are yours for good. Often the degree (regardless of major) is just a springboard - which direction you jump is up to you!</p>

<p>I agree...a college degree will serve you well in life no matter the major. </p>

<p>And if you ARE going to try to seek a career in MT, it is very helpful to have the training for that too. </p>

<p>I see it as a win-win !</p>