backdoor way to get into UCSB

<p>With admission decisions coming in the next few weeks, this is my annual post to pass along some advice to those who didn't get in. If UCSB was a top choice there is a "backdoor" way to get much of the experience of being a UCSB student. You can live right with the UCSB students, get a UCSB diploma, and spend 4 years enjoying the same social life, campus events, groups, etc. that UCSB students do. The only difference is that for a year or two you won't be taking classes on the UCSB campus, and there's even a partial way around that!</p>

<p>I'm posting this now so that you have time to think it over and investigate, since some of the deadlines are in March. You should consider an appeal to UCSB as well, but the odds of this succeeding have historically been small. First off, don't take it personally. They haven't judged you and found you wanting. It's a numbers thing. Due to the boom in HS graduates and the increasing cost of privates, more students are turning to the UCs every year and they don't have room for everyone who's qualified. Students are being turned down today who would have gotten in even a few years ago. Although it stings to be turned down, you need to figure out your best strategy for what to do next, and that's the purpose of this post.</p>

<p>In a nutshell, the advice is attend Santa Barbara City College (SBCC) for 2 years, enrolling in the guaranteed transfer program. Live in private dorms right by the UCSB campus the 1st year, in IV the next 3 (just like the 4-year kids do). Take part in campus life, and finish up with the UCSB diploma. And if you have a lot of AP credit it gets even better; maybe you can spend just 1 year at sbcc and 3 at UCSB (more on that later).</p>

<p>Many students refuse to consider a community college because they want the full "college experience" and want to spend 4 years at the same place making friends, learning the ropes of the school, and getting to know the area. That's where UCSB is different, though. It's one of the few residential colleges in CA where students live on/near campus. So if you live in the community adjoining UCSB ("Isla Vista" AKA "IV"), you'll be in a much better position than a junior just showing up for the 1st time. By living in IV you can take advantage of the social opportunities, you'll be living in the same place as UCSB students, you can attend campus events and activities. You can participate in intramural sports at UCSB at a slightly higher fee than students pay, and you can join many of the same career-related clubs as a non-voting member. See UCSB</a> Campus Organizations to contact clubs you're interested in and see if they allow sbcc students to join. And you can even join the UCSB Rec Center and use the weight room, climbing wall, etc.</p>

<p>A big concern of many frosh is where to live. One advantage of being a 4-year student at most colleges is you start out in a dorm with meals taken care of, an RA for advice, you instantly get to know some kids at the college because they live on your floor, and so on. Turns out that you can do much the same thing at SBCC. There are 2 private dorms right by the UCSB campus that house SBCC students. See SBCC</a> Housing Note, though, that some deadlines for dorms are in March. Even though they aren't the official UCSB-owned dorms, you'll still get a lot of the same1st-year experience. And 2nd year you find an apartment in IV, which is what most UCSB students do anyway after frosh year. Given the size of UCSB your neighbors aren't going to know you go to sbcc until you tell them; they'll just assume they haven't run into you on campus.</p>

<p>Now that we've talked about living in the UCSB community, lets talk about that UCSB diploma. As a transfer student you get the same one a 4-year student does; nowhere does it say "junior transfer". Your BA or BS degree is from UCSB, period. UCSB has a guaranteed transfer program with the community colleges, so you will KNOW you're getting in. At SBCC it is run thru the Transfer Academy (see SBCC</a> Transfer Academy) with counselors who know what you need to do. They offer honors course, as well as counseling and contact with UCSB. After you've completed a semester at SBCC you can take a UCSB class for credit each quarter (paying a LOT less than the UCSB students, BTW!). You can get the guarantee program at any CC, including the one in your community. But you'll miss out on the setting and social environment those 1st 2 years that probably is part of why you wanted to go to UCSB in the first place. It turns out SBCC sends more than any other CC to UCSB, because it attracts students who enrolled to do exactly what I'm suggesting.</p>

<p>The news may be even better if you have a lot of AP credit. You may be able to get in after just 1 year and spend 3 more at UCSB! Here's how. In order to enter UCSB as a transfer, you have to be a junior. Being a junior just means you have a certain number of units, but those units can be AP credit and CC classes. Keep in mind, too, that nothing says you have to take an AP class to take the AP test. Even if you're not in that many AP classes right now, if you are really motivated you could learn the material between now and May for a few of the easier subjects. All you're risking is your time and the test fees. Lets suppose you have 45 units of AP credit (the UCSB Catalog for this is at <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2fnxxw%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://tinyurl.com/2fnxxw&lt;/a&gt;) plus enough CC to make you a junior. You enter UCSB after one year. Now it might seem like you have only 2 years left at UCSB since you started as a junior, but it looks like you can ignore the AP credit once you're at UCSB (except for duplicating classes). Right on the official UC systemwide website at University</a> of California - Counselors it says
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The units granted for AP tests are not counted toward the maximum number of credits required for formal declaration of an undergraduate major or the maximum number of units a student may accumulate prior to graduation from the University. Students who enter the University with AP credit do not have to declare a major earlier than other students, nor are they required to graduate earlier.

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I'm not an adcom so I can't promise you this will work, but if this might apply to you then by all means contact UCSB admissions and find out!</p>

<p>In summary, even if you aren't fortunate enough to be accepted to UCSB as a frosh there are ways to enjoy most of the same things those enrolled for all 4 years do, including ending up with that UCSB diploma.</p>

<p>wow thanks for the post mikemac!</p>

<p>Thank you for posting this. It is so nice. Similarly, Ohio State has gotten quite hard to get into but anyone can get in by attending one of the regional campuses, which are not as close as you have described here, but they are a quick drive to Columbus for football games and other OSU activities. (OSU: Lima Campus · Mansfield Campus · Marion Campus · Newark Campus) More students need to know about these options. If you have your heart set on a university and you aren't accepted there, you might be able to get in after a year nearby. </p>

<p>Spending a year nearby is certainly worth considering, though, and the way USCB lets you do it basically on campus is great.</p>

<p>You can do the same thing at UCB and UCD.</p>

<p>MidwestMom, thanks for the kind words! Most kids who go to UCSB are from the Southern CA and Bay areas, and so applicants from those areas are probably not familiar with SBCC, Isla Vista, and the local dorms. As the UCs get more competitive each year, I hope my post enables some kids out there to still realize their UCSB dreams.</p>

<p>Does SLO offer the same option?</p>

<p>Yes with Cuesta.</p>

<p>I definitely agree with Mikemac. There are a lot of students here who go to Santa Barbara City College and live in Isla Vista which is where I'm going to be living next school year and I'm a student at UCSB. Students who attend the community college are not looked down upon at all and they are proud of being a student there. I know many students who decided to go to SBCC for two years and transfer to UCSB. They enjoy the same college experience and on top of everything they save money attending a community college for two years.</p>

<p>Love SBCC.</p>

<p>Also worth mentioning is the CC are cheaper to attend.</p>

<p>The formal name for guaranteed admission transfer is "articulation agreement". You can search this by UC and each campus will disclose which CC they have these agreements with.</p>

<p>For the record, Santa Rosa JC is nationally ranked academically, sends more student athletes to D-1 schools and has one of the highest placement rates into four your year schools. The campus is BEAUTIFUL and if you have a 3.0 GPA, all fees are waived through the Doyle scholarship.</p>

<p>bumping this up now that decisions are out, so that people who might be interested will see it.</p>

<p>Hi, this is very helpful information. Our son is not sold on any of the schools that he has been accepted to and really liked UCSB but didn't have a 4.0. We looked at the housing options at SBCC but how do you get a roomate? Just started checking this out so if you know the answer please let us know. Thx.</p>

<p>sorry, I don't know the answer to that. If you're looking at one of the private dorms in Isla Vista I'd think they assign them, but you should call to check. For finding someone to share an apt., I guess it would mean looking at the housing boards (online or by phone) at UCSB and SBCC.</p>

<p>Thank you. He realized after I sent this that they really don't have his areas of interest at UCSB. Digital Arts, Communications, Journalism. He will probably end up at U. of Oregon. Hate to pay the out of state tuition but it's a nice size and many majors to choose from.
Appreciate your help!</p>

<p>SDMom, for undergrad they don't, but they started an exciting Masters/PhD program a few years ago. So he might want to file that info away for a few years down the road. Media</a> Arts and Technology at UCSB</p>

<p>They do have a Communication major, but I don't know if they work with the Media Arts faculty as undergrads. My guess would be no, that you'd have to be in the College of Creative Studies to do that.</p>

<p>Best of luck to your son!</p>

<p>Thank you for the information. Maybe he will come back for Grad School!</p>

<p>Hi bus52...would santa rosa be a good school to go to get into santa barbara for soccer?... i wont apply for uni for another 2 years as im only 16 but im OOS, actually im from Ireland. I REALLY want to go to SB but my top reason would be to play D-I Soccer. Would it be hard for me just to apply straight to SB or would it be easier if i went to SR for a year or 2? I know these questions may sound stupid but i dont really have a good knowledge about the US college system. thanks</p>

<p>bumping this thread to bring it back to the attention of current applicants ...</p>

<p>Interesting post. A way around the "system".</p>

<p>with decisions coming out this week, one last "bump" for anyone that may need it ...</p>

<p>Mike, thanks for the info, your post really intrigued me. I was just rejected by UCSB, which was my number 1 school. Your idea makes a lot of sense, but the only problem is I live in Northern Cal. and therefore this might cause some issues financially. I have a couple of questions if you don't mind:</p>

<p>1) How expensive do you believe housing (includes all expenses I would have to pay because I don't really "live" there) would be?</p>

<p>2) How closely associated with UCSB will the social life at SBCC be?</p>

<p>Thanks for the help.</p>