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<p>Hey, Great if you are paying for the lifestyle of IV- not your parents! But no of course you are talking about your parents paying- and no, UCSB is not Harvard- so if you did not qualify as a freshman does that mean you’re lame? </p>

<p>And check the articulation agreement at SBCC- not a shoo in anymore- you need a high GPA and all pre-reqs done otherwise its another year at SBCC and when you have too many units- game over.</p>

<p>If you think going in the back door is the same as the front door anywhere in life you have a lot to learn, And BTW- employers ask about where you went to school- ALL 4 Years- your GPA, your credit score do a background check and your driving record- so yes, they will see you took the easy way to a UC degree, not the same at all.The 4 year UC grads are having a hard time finding jobs- No back door anymore - but hey, keep your fantasy going that your high school performance won’t make a difference. </p>

<p>As a parent I remember all the free times the non achieving student enjoyed- really screwed up high school for everyone.</p>

<p>As for cheaper? Need to get out of SBCC in 2 years and UC in 2 Year- one extra year and you lost out on the $$$ argument. Almost every UC kid starts with so many AP’s They are out in 4 to 4.5 year even with these cut backs. So CC only makes sense when you live at home and go to your local CC. You have to earn your right to play- you must work hard first.</p>

<p>And yes, the slackers do impact the social life of all the UC kids with 3.95 GPA’s - the average to be accepted- this is not the 90’s my friend. Wake up.</p>

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<p>Ah, the SBCC nemesis is back. From what I remember, she lives in the SB area. She looks at the losers her friends have raised who can still get into SBCC once they’re 18 and generalizes them to be the typical SBCC student. What she doesn’t understand is that the local slackers she knows that could only get into a CC have poisoned her view of what CC transfer students who have chosen a specific campus like SBCC even though they didn’t grow up in the local area are like. What she doesn’t realize or chooses to ignore is that many of the kids who pick SBCC are not like the slacker kids her friends have raised. She is blind to the echo-boom phenomenon, whereby college apps across the country have skyrocketed as the kids of the baby boom generation are applying to college. As wikipedia says

The result of this increase is that many kids who 10 years ago, even 5 years ago, would have been accepted at UCSB are now turned down because so many more applications are being received. This boom of applicants won’t run its course until those who were born in 1995 turn 18 (eg. 2013). In 2000 UCSB received 30,800 applications. For this year, they got 46,600. Even OlympicLady can understand how this affects the odds of admission.</p>

<p>One more point deserves to be addressed. In what seems to be the view of OlympicLady, the CC transfers are failures and can’t mask that taint even if they take advantage of the CC transfer route into UCSB. Another view, that of the UC system itself, is quite different.

So you can believe OlympicLady, or what UC says about transfer students – up to you.</p>

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<p>In even HS English classes they tell you that when you’re reading something, you need to consider the of the author - what might they be expected to promote or oppose, do they have a bias, etc. Something you’re well advised to do with OlympicLady. This is the same person who wrote in post #32

Not only does she obviously have an axe to grind, she doesn’t even understand the rules she’s purporting to tell you. In post 41 she writes

What I suppose she means is that if you have gotten too far along in your college career then the UC schools won’t consider you as a transfer student. Too bad she doesn’t understand this applies only to applicants from 4-year schools. Here is what UC says

Just another example of “advice” where she has no clue what she is talking about.</p>

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<p>Guru Mike - Better keep your backdoor up to date- UCSB is now requiring a minimum of 3.2 for TAG- Seems your door is starting to close here- Better keep 'um up to date since the living expenses alone in IV run about 15,000 at year- about the same as living expenses and tuition at a CSU- Still a cheap backdoor option? Wonder why UCSB was the only UC to raise their minimum TAG GPA? Hmmmmm.</p>

<p>Now, don’t worry, I am braced for personal attacks to support your position. let 'em fly!</p>

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<p>I’m becomming offended by some of the statements on here. I am a parent who is seeking the best way to allow my (honor student) daughter attend college in California as we are from Michigan. She is currently attending community college here and living at home as we can’t afford Michigan State. Regardless, over the last 1 1/2 yrs. I have been working my butt off in Overtime and she has been going to school and working her butt off waitressing to get some money to help send her to her dream which is attending school in Cali. We visited 7 colleges and we are set on SBCC for her and planning for her to transfer to UCSB when she is able to obtain a job there and hopefully we can work out a loan of some type. She loves this area because she can attend the CC and still live in an atmosphere of a college campus. </p>

<p>As I appreciate all the information I am receiving on this site, I’m becoming put off by the person referring to my daughter’s situation as “lazy”. I certainly do hope that her future employer asks her about her college life so she can advise them that her degree wasn’t HANDED to her by her parents who foot the bill for that four year degree and how she HAD to start out at a community college and work her butt off to help pay for it on her own! </p>

<p>She is going to work this out and follow her dream, regardless of how people like Olympiclady look down on her and those like her.</p>

<p>NOW, mikemac, getting back to the information sought, I have been searching for a place for her to live. I was thinking that living with roommates in the area that is walking distance from SBCC would be more beneficial for her. SBCC has that site to find SBCC roommates near the school. It seems the atmosphere is a little more laid back than IV. My concern is it will be harder for her to meet friends than living in IV and taking the bus to SBCC. Also, she will have to work on top of going to school so I am wondering where to live that would be closer to a possible waitressing job say at a coney island or similar. Wait, do you have “coney islands” in Santa Barbara?lol I guess my main concern is, will she still obtain the college atmosphere life by living closer to SBCC and perhaps traveling to IV for social fun?</p>

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<p>Do you appreciate all the information on this site? Or just the information you agree with? This is a forum. And, you have offended many yourself by inferring others are having their educations handed to them but you and your daughter have worked your butts off. You don’t know that many, many families aren’t working their butts off, in this economy it is safe to say they are. Don’t assume anyone is being handed anything anymore- check the Financial Aid stats for confirmation on this. </p>

<p>My point has been -for California students moving to SBCC for the CC classes needed to attend college, it is a more expensive option than CAL States which it is because of the cost of living. I will bet it costs more than Michigan State too, but don’t know for sure.</p>

<p>Everyone is working hard these days, so don’t presume, because you too offend. You have not even moved your kid here so you don’t know what you are offended about- wait, and once she is matriculating, then you can be offended. One good thing for you is it will be easier for her to get in now that California is seeking to enroll out of state students who will pay 40,000+ tuition, so the requirements for them have been lowered. Californian’s who have paid taxes for generations are offended by this fact, so you might want to think about that. Their honor student can’t get in even though they have paid taxes because the state needs out of state tuition.</p>

<p>That is a real hot topic out here- remember that so you don’t offend.</p>

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<p>Interesting (and somewhat entertaining) discussion back and forth between mikemac and OlympicLady and the value of attending a CC then going on to a UC. </p>

<p>I do agree that going to SBCC can incur a significant cost without really needing to. One of the main attractions of going to a CC first is the lower cost for living at home. </p>

<p>However, addressing the question as to whether a CC is a viable way into a 4-year school, I like to deal with numbers. A report is published that has all kinds of numbers to it. It is the “Accountability Reporting for the California Community Colleges” (<a href=“http://www.cccco.edu/Portals/4/TRIS/research/ARCC/ARCC%202010,%20March%202010.pdf[/url]”>http://www.cccco.edu/Portals/4/TRIS/research/ARCC/ARCC%202010,%20March%202010.pdf&lt;/a&gt;).</p>

<p>The percentage of CSU graduates that attended a CC first is in the mid 50 percent for the period shown in the report, which was from 2003 to 2009 (Table 2). The percentage of UC grads that attended a CC first was slightly less than 30 precent for the same time period (Table 3). You can look up specific CC rates within the report.</p>

<p>Looking at the flip side, how many went to a CC with the intent of going to a 4-year school? Well, Table 9 shows the percentage of first-time students with a minimum of 12 units earned who attempted transfer-level Math or English during enrollment who transferred to a Baccalaureate granting institution within six years and it stays constant, within the time period, at about 40 percent. This percentage would cover the CSUs and UC as well as other 4-year schools, both in-sate and out-of-state. Many more students might be going to a CC, some just for fun, some don’t make it to these classes before they drop out.</p>

<p>So, IMHO, it looks to me that you’re both right to a point. If you “just missed” getting into the UC of your choice, then a CC may be the way to go. You’d have to prove yourself at the CC. That’s the rub, if you were a slacker in high school (and more than “just missed” getting into a UC), what is going to make you change at a CC? I’m sure some will change, but the numbers seem to say that a lot won’t. Still, a lot of students, do go the CC route and do well.</p>

<p>On another of the discussion topics as to whether it makes a difference going all 44 years at a UC or splitting the time between a CC and a UC: As a former hiring manager, in engineering, at a large aerospace firm, I was only looking at a person’s upper division classes in the specific areas that the job would be in. I also didn’t care if you got a “C” in music appreciation or not. The upper division math and engineering classes were what I was looking at and I would calculate my own GPA based on just the classes that were relevant to the job. I would use my own GPA calculation to help evaluate the job candidate. (I would also be looking at one’s communication skills, both written and oral as you don’t work in a vacuum. You very much need to be able to communicate.) So, attending a CC first and then a UC wouldn’t matter to me very much. PS. Which college the final degree did come from was a factor, a graduate from MIT or CalTech was held in much higher regard than one from just down the street at “Joe’s school of engineering and brain surgery”.</p>

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<p>with admission decisions coming out soon, time for a bump</p>

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<p>I thought it is coming out on March 21st …
I did receive an invitation to the high achiever reception, Mar 12 in Los Angeles …</p>

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<p>I don’t think this is actually true. While the cc’s will give you automatic acceptance into the UC and Cal State system it does not guarantee acceptance into UCSB and Cal Poly. I have heard of numerous top students being denied by these two schools. From what I have heard you have a better chance in getting into Cal Poly from SBCC and into UCSB from Cuesta. </p>

<p>I would suggest talking to the admissions people at the schools to get the correct info.</p>

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You have been misinformed. As you could have found with the most cursory search before posting, here is what the UCSB admission website says

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Afraid you heard wrong on this, too.</p>

<p>The UC website reports that in the most recent year for which they have stats 72% of those applying from SBCC are accepted, but only 58% from Cuesta. </p>

<p>Source: <a href=“http://statfinder.ucop.edu/reports/schoolreports/comparison_school_uc_enrollment_campus.aspx?atpCode=4690&Year=2008-09&Type=communitycollege&atpCode1=4101[/url]”>http://statfinder.ucop.edu/reports/schoolreports/comparison_school_uc_enrollment_campus.aspx?atpCode=4690&Year=2008-09&Type=communitycollege&atpCode1=4101&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Oh, and as for SBCC giving better odds of getting into Cal Poly, in 2009 there were 217 transfers accepted from Cuesta and 15 from SBCC. Doesn’t sound like the fast track to me…</p>

<p>Source: <a href=“IR Home - Institutional Research - Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo”>http://www.ipa.calpoly.edu/publications_reports/factbook/fbfall09.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Woohoo SBCC is probably where I’ll end up come June(/July/August?). Anyone else planning on attending SBCC and staying in one of the private residence halls?</p>

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<p>now that decisions are out, bump for benefit of those who might need it…</p>

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<p>Does anyone know when the deadline is to apply for housing at tropicana gardens? Also are sbcc students still able to integrate with ucsb students with things such as intramurals, clubs, use of gym,…etc? Lastly do sbcc students have full use of the ucsb library?</p>

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<p>I moved to goleta for 2 years and went to SBCC, I was able to successfully get admitted into UCSB,UCSD,UCB(Cal),UCD, and UCLA.</p>

<p>I am more of an exception not the rule. In many of my classes I would talk with people that were rejected from UCSB with 3.0-3.2 GPA’s despite having TAG and IGETC completed.</p>

<p>Having said that I have taken classes at other community colleges in the past, they were MUCH easier, and MUCH better(for transfers); atleast where gpa is concerned.</p>

<p>This is a great route for oos and international students looking for an affordable way to the UC’s. As far as transferring is concerned though, there are easier less distracted places to be. IV will give you the college experience, but you will have so much fun you will forget about doing well in school. </p>

<p>Also worth mentioning the commute time from IV to SBCC @ 8AM is 30-35 minutes, meaning if you aren’t out the door at 7:25 in the morning you are going to be late. the teachers at sbcc care about this more than other schools I have been to as well, I have actually seen them target students and remove them from their classes (permanently) for it. Especially in math classes because of crowding, you miss any portion of a lecture in the first week of school you will be kicked from the class(I witnessed an overachiever get kicked out of calculus over this)</p>

<p>Parking at SBCC is also pretty much horrible, get their by 8 or don’t count on parking for the first month.</p>

<p>I’ve mostly stated the cons of going there and doing this, keep in mind I did it and got accepted to every school I applied to; so other students can as well(I am far from a model student). I just witnessed many crash and burn here because of too much fun in IV.</p>

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<p>Can you join a frat ucsb if you go to sbcc??</p>

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<p>I don’t think you can join a frat if you are a SBCC student. But many of the parties during the year are open to all comers. To get a definitive answer on joining, email one of the contacts listed at [IFC</a> Recruitment](<a href=“http://www.sa.ucsb.edu/osl/GreekLife/Recruitment/IFCRecruitment.aspx]IFC”>http://www.sa.ucsb.edu/osl/GreekLife/Recruitment/IFCRecruitment.aspx)</p>

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<p>I’m a good student and will be a rising senior with a 4.4 gpa at a competitive private school in so cal. My sat is a measly 1680 and my act is a 24, though I plan to prepare and drastically improve since i took both last oct/sept with minimal studying. </p>

<p>Anyway, I’ve been looking into SBCC as an alternative and a major backup plan, but it seems too good to be true. Like most community colleges, it is easy to get a 4.0? And do they weigh A- differently than A/A+ in their gpa? I would only go to SBCC if it were as easy as I am expecting since it does cost money for me to dorm there, otherwise I would go to a local community college and easily get a 4.0. </p>

<p>I’m a great student, just a somwhat low test taker, though we’ll see after my ACT/SAT, i’m just wondering if I would easily get a 4.0 since I’m very persistent and I don’t slack off.</p>