Barack Obama makes official move towards presidential campaign

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did you think GWB had experience in foreign policy?

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Bush's political record was far more impressive when he ran than that of Obama. His father was a president only 8 years before he came into power to boot, giving him perhaps more white house experience than any other president, alive or dead. Bush was a better candidate than many people give him credit for.</p>

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Irrelevant to the discussion but IQ does not correlate to intelligence.

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Certainly not the highest IQ statement I've heard today.</p>

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Irrelevant to the discussion but IQ does not correlate to intelligence.
Certainly not the highest IQ statement I've heard today.

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<p>what he means is that IQ does not translate into competency. which is definitely true.</p>

<p>Definitely true, but what he said was just so much more hilarious.</p>

<p>Remind me if I forgot, but did Bush II hold a position in Bush I's administration. No. At most he attended a few dinners. By that age, I doubt he was living in the White House anyway. I just looked it up actually, Bush moved to Texas in 1998 and was administering the Texas Rangers Franchise until the 1994 election. If you actually remember the 2000 debate Bush was scorning nationbuilding and all that entails and frankly never said he had any interest in foreign policy, no matter how much you try to to say to the latter.</p>

<p>Oh and because I like to base what I say on the fact so I NOTICED the only elected office GWB ever held was the Governorship of Texas. He did not even hold it for 2 complete terms, only for 6 years. To add incing onto the cake, if you look at Texas state politics you see that the Liet. Gov holds more power, especially if the Lieut. Gov was of the different party. "
The Lieutenant Governor of Texas is the second-highest executive office in the government of Texas, a state in the United States of America. It is considered the most powerful post in Texas government because its occupant controls the work of the Texas Senate and controls the budgeting process as a leader of the Legislative Budget Board. The Lieutenant Governor assumes the powers of Governor when the Governor is out of the state or otherwise unable to discharge the office. The Lieutenant Governor is elected separately from the Governor, rather than on the same ticket; it is therefore possible for the Governor and Lieutenant Governor to be from different political parties (which was the case during Governor George W. Bush's first term). " <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant_Governor_of_Texas%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant_Governor_of_Texas&lt;/a> </p>

<p>Bush did not have a Lieut. Gov of his party until 1999 when Perry took the office. And since he spent the 2nd year of his 2nd term campaigning it could be argued that he only was really in a strong leadership position for 1 year. Which would be half of Obama.</p>

<p>Sorry two typos there. Bush moved to texas in 1989* and icing not incing*. Enjoy the post.</p>

<p>Mr. Payne. How did you come to the conclusion that conservatives have a higher IQ than liberals? I'm assuming you haven't the chart that shows that most of the red states in America have the lowest IQs. I'll find it and post it for you.</p>

<p>The same way many democrats write off conservatives as idiotic.</p>

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Definitely true, but what he said was just so much more hilarious.

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<p>uh...alright then. whatever you say. it's obvious it was a typo</p>

<p>i like him more than Bilary, but it's too bad he smokes (not hatin on smokers, but it's a sign of weakness and presidents shoudln't have any obvious ones like that)</p>

<p>Yeah. I mean, hell, I don't even think Bush has had an eight-ball since he's been in office.</p>

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Mr. Payne. How did you come to the conclusion that conservatives have a higher IQ than liberals? I'm assuming you haven't the chart that shows that most of the red states in America have the lowest IQs. I'll find it and post it for you.

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Yeah. And that it would be idiotic to infer that liberals are smarter than conversvatives because of that would be idiotic. And please tell me you aren't referring to the hoaxed map, because I wouldn't stop laughing if you linked that.</p>

<p>...maybe then you would stop posting. I'm referring to the "map" that shows all the "red" states and all the "blue" states and then shows the median IQs for those states. Most of the ones at the bottom are red. </p>

<p>I didn't infer that liberals are smarter, per se. I did infer that people who see this country for its diversity and want it to reflect said diversity are smarter than those who want to press-gang and browbeat everyone else into their ideals. </p>

<p>Liberals, Conservatives: who's more guilty of that?</p>

<p><a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Interesting. It's funny how that list doesn't differ that much from this one:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank06.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank06.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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i like him more than Bilary, but it's too bad he smokes (not hatin on smokers, but it's a sign of weakness and presidents shoudln't have any obvious ones like that)

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<p>He will definitely quit smoking soon.</p>

<p>I hate to go on this rather silly tangent, but...</p>

<p>It's disingenuous to argue that either conservatives or liberals have a higher IQ without any sort of data.</p>

<p>In fact, the "common sense" theory would state that since higher levels of education tend to correlate strongly with liberal opinions, liberals have a higher mean IQ.</p>

<p>But that, in itself, is an argument littered with endogenaity.</p>

<p>Either way, until a good study is done on the subject (or produced here), you're both barking up an invisible tree. And watching a dog bark up a tree that isn't there is really just sad...</p>

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In fact, the "common sense" theory would state that since higher levels of education tend to correlate strongly with liberal opinions, liberals have a higher mean IQ.

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I actually don't have a problem with saying Liberals are smarter than conservatives, because that is likely true. Democrats are not smarter than Republicans though, the General Social Survey has shown that for years. Because the dumb people in the Democratic party (and they are dumb) bring the average down. A lot.</p>

<p>I'm always cautious when it comes to arguments like this...</p>

<p>Define "dumb."</p>

<p>Is uneducated dumb? Because then a blue-collar base will make your party "dumber."</p>

<p>I don't really see how you can say that the GSS really shows a person's intelligence, either. Demographics don't necessarily demonstrate innate smartness.</p>

<p>A short 10 problem verbal IQ test is given in the GSS, I believe it's called the wordsum. It allows virtually anything which the GSS acts to be correlated to a rough IQ. Obviously, a 10 problem test doesn't build a true, accurate version of the intelligence bell curve. However, when the sample size is large enough, and the GSS is. Interesting data can be gleaned.</p>