<p>hi, i have high school facebook right now but as i was trying to search for barnard as a network, i couldn’t find it. so my question is, is barnard listed as its own college on facebook or do barnard girls have to put columbia?</p>
<p>thanks.</p>
<p>barnard students are listed as columbia students, even if you sign up with your barnard email. it makes sense because this way you can see who's in your classes, your clubs, etc.</p>
<p>thanks! that must make some columbia students really angry because there was a whole thread on the columbia board about barnard girls saying that they go to columbia. but ... it can't be helped.</p>
<p>Heh, you will soon find that everything makes Columbia students really angry. It's practically the school culture. :)</p>
<p>Hahaha, too true.</p>
<p>LOL, Primefactor -- do Barnard students get angry at stuff too? Or is the campus filled with irate Columbia students while the Barnard ladies are cheerful, cool & calm? ;)</p>
<p>The Barnard/Columbia relationship is really weird... and practically impossible to define. You'll figure it out though. And it's really what every individual makes of it.
There was an article in the spec about it the other day actually...
<a href="http://www.columbiaspectator.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/04/20/44473b2921270?in_archive=1%5B/url%5D">http://www.columbiaspectator.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/04/20/44473b2921270?in_archive=1</a></p>
<p>There was a lot of venom over at the Columbia board regarding Barnard students. It definitely made me feel uncomfortable...</p>
<p>There's an interesting quote from an article on a slightly different topic that I think might be pertinent:
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THE NARCISSISM OF MINOR DIFFERENCES</p>
<p>Freud coined this phrase to refer to the phenomenon that similar countries or peoples, living in proximity to one another, develop rivalries and antagonisms. This makes the individual communities more cohesive, and allows each to assert its prominence. Elite institutions of a certain size and locale tend to resemble one another and yet to fight fiercely to maintain a sense of superiority, which is to say, a higher U.S. News ranking.
[/quote]
*Source: When the Best Is Not Good Enough, by Paula Marantz Cohen * <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/23/education/edlife/NOTEBOOK.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/23/education/edlife/NOTEBOOK.html</a></p>
<p>The article is about the intense focus on college rankings - and you might see the Columbia/Barnard thing as that sort of rivalry magnified, at least on the Columbia end. It's hard for the Columbians to maintain their sense of superiority when the students at the college across the street are free to take all the same classes, join the same clubs, play on the same athletic teams, etc. So they resort to simple bashing.</p>
<p>I'm wondering if it would be better overall if Columbia/Barnard adopted a policy that limited students to applying to only one undergraduate college- the way it is among the different colleges at NYU. I don't know what the overlap is in admissions, but if students had to choose one or the other at the outset, that might eliminate the perception that Barnard is somehow a safety or back door to Columbia. I don't see Columbians at all upset by the presence of the School of General Studies (admit rate: 49%) - which of course undermines whatever logic they pretend is behind their resentment of Barnard.</p>
<p>Wow, that article from the Columbia Spectator is interesting. I'm kind of glad I'm 95% sure I'm not going to Barnard- I don't want to feel inferior all of the time.</p>
<p>Lonefreckle, I'm sorry you feel that way. </p>
<p>The attitude apparently held by some Columbia students is no different than the attitude of some white students at some colleges who assume that all URM's are somehow inferior and get in only because of affirmative action... and it is not at all different than the male-imposed stigma that all women faced only a generation ago. </p>
<p>And it really is only the collegiate version of the high school jocks vs. nerds rivalry. </p>
<p>I think there is also probably a lot of jealousy behind it: Barnard has the better end of the deal. Barnard women don't have to do the Columbia core, and they have better advising, smaller classes, and more opportunities to work closely with their profs -- plus the option to take pretty much any course they want at Columbia. </p>
<p>Keep in mind the history: in the early 1980's, Columbia was male-only and the admission rate was more than 50%. Columbia was the easiest to get into and lowest prestige of all the Ivies, because all the other Ivies had gone co-ed. Columbia wanted to merge with Barnard, and there were negotiations, but in the end Barnard said no. So Columbia had to go co-ed to save itself because male-only colleges can't compete any more. They need women to keep their application numbers high and to maintain their high standards of admission.</p>
<p>So at that point, Barnard became a rival -- as both Barnard & Columbia compete to attract women applicants. Basically the presence of Barnard probably makes it easier for men to get into Columbia; without a separate school to draw off some of their competition, the overall admit rate at Columbia would go down.</p>
<p>calmom, although i am so happy to have a parent stick up for barnard on these boards.. the columbia one did get rather vicious.. i must say that columbia students pick on gs students all the time, their elitism is not limited to barnard! they do not want to share their classes with "socialists" (an odd choice for a derogatory term considering the political views of most columbia students) or "grandparents," and they think gs students ask stupid questions in class, etc. it is not as vehement, because they can understand that there actually is a reason someone would go to gs instead of cc, whereas they think all barnard students are just columbia rejects.
regardless of the arrogance and elitism expressed by a minority of jerks across the street, barnard is awesome, the women who go here and most of the students who go to columbia are amazing and intelligent, and if you choose your friends wisely you will not feel inferior.</p>
<p>"if you choose your friends wisely you will not feel inferior"</p>
<p>Seriously. My friends are all intelligent, open-minded people, and I've never had a problem. In fact, the only time anyone ever even came close to getting snarky about the fact that I go to Barnard to my face was one guy in the math help room--and I was helping him with his calc homework! It's like... dude, open your eyes.</p>
<p>Someone else thinking they're superior doesn't make me inferior. It just makes them deluded. ;)</p>
<p>Edit:
And Calmom: naturally! Barnard students spend their days smiling, studying for the pure love of learning, and helping the less fortunate. All while shining with effortless beauty.</p>
<p>But really, BC just seems like a cheerier, less uptight kinda place.</p>
<p>"There was a lot of venom over at the Columbia board regarding Barnard students. It definitely made me feel uncomfortable..."</p>
<p>Most of those kids haven't yet attended Columbia (so take their comments with a grain of salt).
Once you get here, it really is different. I have to say that I haven't actually experienced such intense animosity and the like... although I have heard of cases.</p>
<p>Honestly though, it really isn't that bad. Also, the freshmen year is by far the worst.
People chill out after awhile and get used to things.
IMO, Columbians realize that us Barnard girls are here for good (and really, always HAVE been here), and it's just part of life... so they learn to embrace it.</p>
<p>hey, have you accessed your barnard email already? i looked myself up in the barnard directory and i found out my email address, but i tried using the password they gave me to track the application and it doesnt work. anyone know how to get it?</p>
<p>yeah, i'm also having a lot of difficulty accessing an email adress. all my friends at other schools already have theirs, but i can't access mine. can anyone help?</p>
<p>The password you use to track your application isn't the same as the password for your email and Ebear.</p>
<p>If you want to register on facebook, you need to make your password on the CU site, to register your CU email, not your Barnard one. I believe it's in the Computing and Technology area on the left side of the page.</p>
<p>You cannot access your Barnard email account until June 14th. You will use your system ID number that was sent in a confidential envelope along with your Guide to your First Semester to do so.</p>
<p>i can't access my CUID</p>