<p>Is it bad that Barnard students already bother me? I mean, I guess they're decently smart girls and I'm sure they're nice people, but it just kinda gets on my nerves when Barnard students claim that they're going to "Barnard of COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY" blah blah blah. Because they haven't actually gotten through the Columbia CC or SEAS admissions process, which are significantly more competitive (am I right?) </p>
<p>What is the official extent of Barnard's association with Columbia?</p>
<p>it’s only an affiliated school of columbia, and is not as competitive as CC OR SEAS.</p>
<p>There are plenty of threads that discuss this (unseemly) topic. The net seems to be that the actual Columbia students (as opposed to parents, alums, high schoolers, etc.), after a few weeks on campus, don’t care about this issue. Most of us who read these threads just make some popcorn, and watch the drama unfold. My favorite posts are always about what the Barnard diploma looks like vs. the Columbia diploma.</p>
<p>and i think in the end it is what you make of it - if you never want to see barnard or deal with it, certainly your choice. your engagement is entirely of your choosing.</p>
<p>So what does the Barnard disploma look like? Since Barnard degree is granted by Columbia, I suppose Barnard diploma looks completely the same as Columbia diploma?</p>
<p>^ what an appropriate reply to this inane thread/question. Nobody cares about Barnard once they actually get here.</p>
<p>As a future Barnard student, let me address this question. Barnard no, is not the same as Columbia. We are a part of the university community however. We can use the facilities. We will take classes with you. We will not take the core (but neither will SEAS students). We will participate in ECs with you. We can room and board in your housing to a limited extent, and you in ours. We take our own freshman seminars. We have our own administration. We play on Columbia sports teams (as Barnard has none). We yes, do have our own admissions process which <em>is</em> less competitive (probably because it is an all girls school, eliminating all boys and many girls, and does not have the Ivy branding to attract more applicants).</p>
<p>But, I already have grown sick and tired of Columbia students saying nasty things to me. I scored above a 2300 on my SATs. My GPA was nearly perfect and I have many, many extra-curiculars, some of which I have received national awards in. Although I was waitlisted at Columbia and not admitted, I am qualified to be a student there. Some Barnard girls are extremely smart, some even have gained admission to Columbia but chose to go the all-girls route or want a smaller liberal arts college experience. </p>
<p>You were lucky to get into Columbia. You were lucky to get through the admissions process and come out on top, but that does not mean that you should demean other students and make them feel unwelcome and uncomfortable at a school where we also will attend classes. You may not like it, but that’s how it works. Hundreds of schools have relationships like this - Weslley and MIT and Harvard, Bryn Mawr and Haverford, UMass and Amherest, etc. etc. However, you lose nothing, not an inch of your prestige that you gained in the process, but being gracious and kind to the Barnard girls sharing your campus. In every student body, even your own, you will come across people less intelligent, the athletes, legacies, etc., and yes, some of the Barnard girls and students from JTS, but they don’t diminish what you have. Socially, they can enrich and bring new experiences. Employers know who the smart ones are, regardless of what your degree says and will be able to tell who deserves a job and who does not - even if my degree says Columbia on it. The point is though, that YOURS still does. I don’t take away anything from you. </p>
<p>So yes, I just wanted to share the perspective of a Barnard student. You don’t have to like us, but don’t judge the entire student body by statistics. Please be kind to us - it’s basic manners, and don’t make us feel uncomfortable on campus. I turned down offers of many other schools to come here, many with large scholarships, and the one thing that still irks me is how people treat us.</p>
<p>Enough of this elitism already. My daughter was accepted at both Barnard and Columbia SEAS. She chose Barnard because frankly she wants to do a dual major in engineering and liberal arts and she felt the advising would be better at Barnard. She has near perfect SAT scores, on the top 1% of her class and has outstanding leadership credentials. BTW… on the tour, the guide also told us that her boyfriend from Columbia took a Calculus class at Barnard… and guess what – he managed a whopping c+. So, let’s not get carried away with Columbia vs. Barnard. Barnard diplomas have also the official Columbia seal and are signed by both presidents. So, like really, it is the best of both worlds.</p>
<p>For the record, it is Barnard College OF Columbia University. Kindof like Harvard’s Radcliffe (which has been shut down). </p>
<p>I’ve heard most of the tension between the schools is really on these type of msg boards… in real life, truly no one cares (and if you are REALLY ivy league material, you wouldn’t either… what part of the humility lesson did you miss?). If you can’t deal with it, maybe you should pick another university… because Columbia as a university seems really thrilled to have Barnard in the mix.</p>
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<p>Barnard college web site says 'Barnard is legally separate and financially independent from Columbia '</p>
<p>Collegeboy, read do the search please on the history of this discussion. Most who have been around know that Barnard is affiliated with Columbia and understand the complicated and mutually beneficial relationship that is in place.</p>
<p>-Columbia SEAS students still have to take a huge chunk of the core
-wow! a c+ in a college level calculus class! what a rare occurrence
-ok good job, you got a 2300+ on your SATs/perfect GPA, but let’s face it, the majority of barnard students are not you…</p>
<p>Hate to break it to you, but the majority of Columbia students did not get 2300+ either. If you look back on what you’ve written here after a few months at Columbia, you’ll feel pretty silly.</p>
<p>ah, I know, I know. I hate to have all this negativity toward them already. It’s just that it reallllly gets on my nerves. I just saw 2 facebook friends raving about how cool it is that they are a part of the Columbia FB network when in reality they shouldn’t be…</p>
<p>I think Columbia does not allow Barnard to have it’s own network. which is why they are on the columbia network. It is a weird relationship… but obviously, the two seem to get along just fine.</p>
<p>Well saying shouldn’t does not really help anything. I’d love a Barnard network, but there simply is not one. Being on the Columbia facebook network helps practically - with clubs, with events, and everything that is all joint. Barnard is a part of Columbia, even if just by affiliation. </p>
<p>(And it might help you to think about it this way - at Cornell, there are many different schools with many different levels of acceptance. The selectivity of some of those schools are similar to the selectivity of Barnard, however those people too are smart and are still deserving.)</p>
<p>Just give us a chance and judge us on a person to person basis. I know how hard you had to have worked in high school to get into Columbia, but trust me, the cream of the crop will rise to the top at <em>both</em> Barnard and Columbia. Sharing the light with someone else does not take away anything from what you have done and the smart people will rise at both institutions. You have the choice to be negative or positive and most people don’t like a negative person. If you’re a guy, you’ll benefit from the dating pool and if you’re a girl, you have access to a lot of new friends. Take heart in your accomplishments and just relax - you made it! We Barnard girls have the burden of proving ourselves against the negativity over these next four years. If you ask me, that’s a steep task we have to undertake.</p>
<p>Well, I don’t think you should apologize or anything for who you are. Many people would kill to go to Barnard. So, stop selling yourself short. I personally don’t see why you have to prove yourself to anyone but yourself. DietPepsi needs to do some really education on what this relationsship means. The rest of you should just go conquer the world – since it would be a better productive use of your time :).</p>
<p>Columbia University comprises three undergraduate colleges and one close affiliate.
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Barnard College, the closely affiliated but independent women’s college across the street, also has an entirely separate admissions and application process.
[Academic</a> Life | Columbia University Office of Undergraduate Admissions](<a href=“http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/admissions/university/academic]Academic”>http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/admissions/university/academic)</p>
<p>Wow, collegeboy. Nobody has ever posted a link to that before. /sarcasm/</p>
<p>good grief.</p>
<p>No need to get so defensive. Barnard is what it is. The fact that you are flipping out at diepepsi’s remark shows how much you want to prove Barnard’s worth to the world.</p>
<p>"We Barnard girls have the burden of proving ourselves against the negativity over these next four years. If you ask me, that’s a steep task we have to undertake. "</p>
<p>Another reason why D2 left, who wants to feel like that, or deal with it at all for that matter.</p>