<p>Your statement about grad school placement didn’t say anything and is actually untrue (I can go into it with detail with you if you like). The difference in admissions standards/stats do not explain placement (I only glanced at it but I think that is the argument you are making) for a great enough number of schools to be decisive. There are many schools that don’t fit that pattern.</p>
<p>I agree that Chicago places better than Northwestern (not by the margin you hint at, however) on Wall Street. But, Cornell does decisively better than Chicago. There really isn’t a comparison. And don’t reply with a per capita argument; I am taking that into account.</p>
<p>Because Wall Street has a standard on-campus recruiting process at top schools, has general social prestige, and pays well for a first job (and obviously beyond).</p>
<p>divide undergraduate alumni analyst salaries with the amount of hourly work put in…on an hourly basis, its not that great.</p>
<p>burnout from the industry is very high.</p>
<p>bonuses typically provide 75-100% of pay…however, this is not guaranteed. Bank of America (I believe) only paid analysts/bankers 5-10% bonuses this year…the workers had such a sense of entitlement, that some are suing…claiming “I wouldn’t have worked that hard for a 5%bonus”…unbelieveable.</p>
<p>You used the term “reflective”. I think that is a rather strong term to use. I would say that the prestige of UChicago’s econ program and JHU’s medical program influence the Peer rating, but in a very mild way. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that JHU and Chicago are both high-quality institutions, even without considering their most prestigious departments. Take a counterexample: Purdue. For a long time, before this year, Purdue was almost always in the top 5 for engineering (before mysteriously dropping this year), but were its peer assessment scores unusually high because of it?</p>
<p>I’m operating under the assumption that presidents are very knowledgeable of the academic world. More than likely, they’ve browsed through statistics of other schools, including acceptance rates, graduate success rates, etc. Though the prestige of a single department may (and probably does) slightly affect their decision, I don’t think it’s enough to override the data they’ve sifted through during the X years they’ve been at the head of the institution and the previous Y years they were in a position of authority where they’ve had similar tasks of observation. PA rates would be much more reflective of prestige in a certain area if the surveys were completed by less knowledgeable people.</p>
<p>I’m not overly quick to defend my alma mater. I just strongly disagreed with your statement.</p>
<p>^i think it’s really a mixture for different schools. i think chicago deserves its higher score and it’s based on its strength across different academic fields. i think jhu’s score is heavily influenced by specific strength in bio/med research. this is far from exact science and if i were a busy person in a position of authority, would i really have time to double check and cross-reference stats while filling out the survey?<br>
i wouldn’t be surprised if the people who filled out the surveys know less about placement stats, wsj ranking, wall street placements than some of the freaks here on CC. the difference between 4.6 and 4.3 is probably this: 100 more people out of that 2000 or whatever gave one school 5/5 instead of 4/5 while the majority saw no difference and gave both 5/5.</p>
<p>A. This is within the context of academic circles
B. This is in ABSOLUTELY NO WAY A “WHICH COLLEGE SHOULD I GO TO?” THREAD – just purely curiosity</p>
<p>I think wherever you go Chicago is more prestigious than Cornell (at least by country…im sure some parts of the states know cornell better) and definitely better known than any of those other schools.</p>
<p>However, Cornell is quite close to Chicago in prestige because of Ivy status. Aside from that, strictly by academics Chicago is a clear victor. Chicago has one fewer nobel prizes than Harvard (83 i think). </p>
<p>On an international level, Chicago is by far the winner. Chicago, Berkeley, Stanford, HYP, MIT and Columbia are without a doubt the biggest names from the US in terms of world recognition.</p>
<p>Almost every academic I know lists Chicago as the university they love the most for its academics and rigor. In fact, I was having a discussion with a faculty member last week (A.B. Princeton, M.A./Ph.D Yale) and he was saying that he considered Chicago to be the best undergraduate education in the country, well above Harvard or even his alma mater.</p>
<p>Hopkins is actually the ONLY US university to spend more than $1 billion dollar for their annual research budget @ $1.55 billion dollars annually. UCSF placed second nationall at @ $800 million dollars per year…Hopkins is a mega research powerhouse that has lead the nation in research spending for the past 29 years in a row. Most of the research dollars were spent on science, medical and engineering research.</p>
<p>My personal opinion, Hopkins’ greatest asset/gem is SAIS and Peabody. Hopkins SAIS is one of the world’s most prestigious and leading graduate schools devoted to the study of international affairs in America and can rival, Princeton WWS, Columbia SIPA, Tufts Fletcher, and Georgetown Walsh easily any day.</p>
<p>JHU’s Peabody Music Conservatory is one of the best music conservatories in the world and can easily rival Curtis, Juillard, Eastman, Oberlin, NEMC, Rochester, etc…