basic ED questions

<p>My observation is that the "ED advantage" is much more evident at LACs than it is at super-selective universities. I don't see SCEA making a whole lot of difference to admissions at Yale or Harvard, but I do see ED being a significant advantage at Williams/Swarthmore/Amherst. </p>

<p>Yield is one reason and fit is another. These schools have very small classes and everyone needs to work and play well together as well as contribute to more than one aspect of campus culture, so if a student fits, is multi-faceted and is guaranteed to attend then s/he becomes a person of interest -- as long as s/he is academically qualified.</p>

<p>Academically there is no borderline at these schools (just very good and excellent), but they do evaluate an amalgam of statistics (GPA, rank, scores) and less objective factors such as essays, recommendations, talents and demographic contributions and one area of strength can counterbalance a relative weakness.</p>

<p>Another point to consider is that the applicant has absolutely no control over his/her competition. In the ED pool there are fewer applicants and less chance of direct overlap. Plus the highest academic achievers are not likely to be in the AWS ED pool as they are more likely to want to apply to HYPSM as well and make their decisions in April.</p>

<p>The OP's son for example is a football playing musician with an interest in law. Not the only one, certainly, with an interest in Swarthmore but among their ED pool, I would think one of few. [And here I can't resist asking, why not Williams?]</p>

<p>Case in point: No one from my son's high school had gone to Williams for years. The counselors weren't particularly interested in or enthusiastic about the school and it didn't appear on too many lists. My son, as noted, applied and was accepted ED. What we found out later was that his highschool Sal, also applied to Williams in the RD round. Now this kid is a superstar -- perfect grades and scores, dual nationality, several languages, two varsity sports, all around nice guy, AND he plays the trombone. He was accepted at every school he applied to including the most selective ivies. He chose Williams. </p>

<p>This highschool is a very small, international school. Even though these two candidates had very different profiles it's doubtful that Williams would have accepted both, so in my son's case I think there was a hidden advantage to applying ED.</p>

<p>Celtic, I don't think Swarthmore is worried about yield. They are a top 5 LAC and rarely need to go to their waitlist for students - in 2005 they took only 18 students off the waitlist; I don't know what the figures are for this year. Their admission rate for ED is declining (in 2005 they accepted 50% of the students who applied ED -- in 2006 many more applied ED, so they accepted only 36%). </p>

<p>Bottom line, they don't have to worry about filling their class with qualified applicants They will use ED to lock in desireable candidates -- athletes, URMs or others with with demographic factors Swat is looking for, and the cream of the crop academically. Here is an article that will help you get a flavor for the situation: </p>

<p>Link to full article: <a href="http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/org/daily/index.php?year=2006&month=04&day=13#n1%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/org/daily/index.php?year=2006&month=04&day=13#n1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Excerpts:
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897 students have been admitted to the Swarthmore Class of 2010, 18.4 percent of the record 4,850 who applied. Not only does the number of applicants shatter the previous record of 4,585 applicants for the Class of 2002, it is also up nineteen percent overall from last year's tally of 4,085, which was in turn up 11 percent from the previous year. Of the 897 accepted students, Swarthmore expects to yield a class of 372 for next fall.</p>

<p>The admissions office saw a thirty-three percent increase in Early Decision applications alone, receiving over 400 Early Decision applications for the first time ever. Thirty-six percent of these applicants were accepted; as in past years, forty percent of the incoming class will have been accepted Early Decision.

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Note that Swarthmore is unlikely to want to allow any increase in the number of ED admits - 40% of the class is plenty! -- So as the number of applicants go up, the admit rate will continue to go down, making it harder get in ED in successive years.
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Fifty-two percent of accepted students self-identify as domestic students of color. Asian Americans make up twenty-one percent of the admitted class, Latino students sixteen percent, African Americans fourteen percent, and one percent of students identify as Native American or Hawaiian. Jim Bock, dean of admissions and financial aid, explained that "we had far more applicants who were students of color, we had far more female applicants, we had far more male applicants... the increase was across the board."

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This give you a sense of where admission priorities lie; LACs want diversity, but yield tends to be low among students of color -- so minority students probably do have a decided ED advantage.

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Surprisingly, said Bock, "the quality of the pool was almost identical to last year... average scores went down slightly, but not what you would expect." With more applicants in the pool, you can usually assume that there will be more underqualified applicants, but that was not the case in this year of record-breaking applications; "it made it more difficult," said Bock, "because we were choosing from even more excellent applicants than usual."</p>

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<p>These demographics are one of the reasons that Bock is not worried about all 897 students choosing to enroll. According to Bock, as a school becomes more selective, its yield actually drops, because it's taking students who have more choices about where to go to college. "The kids we admitted are choosing between six or eight great schools... just by the law of averages, a lot of them are not going to show up." Swarthmore wants a class of 372 students for next fall, and if fewer than that choose to enroll, over 900 students were offered a spot on the waitlist.

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In other words, Swat expects yield to go down as they get more applicants... so again, they aren't going to to be accepting iffy candidates ED. </p>

<p>The ED situation and concerns about yield might be a little different at colleges that are not ranked as high as Swarthmore. I may be mistaken, but I really think that for the very top colleges at least, the ED tactical advantage is a myth, or fast becoming one.</p>

<p>This information is quite dated, but the ratio should not have changed that much, except for Penn/Cornell:</p>

<p>School Freshmen Total Apps Admit % Overall ED Apps ED Admit %ED % ED/Class
Williams 532 5341 1133 21% 497 193 39% 36%
Amherst 413 5489 1155 21% 374 130 35% 31%
Swarthmore 366 3680 933 25% 304 138 45% 38%
Wellesley 591 3912 1476 41% 180 123 68% 21%
Pomona 394 4500 900 20% 299 133 44% 34%
Wesleyan 715 6568 1843 27% 672 298 44% 42%
Claremont-McKenna 284 3528 749 21% 192 55 29% 19%
Smith 696 2993 1694 57% 192 156 81% 22%</p>

<p>2008 Brown
Total Number Applications Received 15,268
Total Number Applications Accepted 2,412
Overall Acceptance Rate 15.80%
Regular Decision Applications Received 13,387
Regular Decision Applicants Accepted 1,874
Regular Decision Acceptance Rate 14.00%
Early Decision/ Action Applications Received 1,907
Early Decision/ Action Applications Accepted 540
Early Decision/ Action Acceptance Rate 28.30%
Percent of Class Filled by Early Applicants 37.80%</p>

<p>2008 Columbia
Total Number Applications Received 17,258
Total Number Applications Accepted 2,275
Overall Acceptance Rate 13%
Regular Decision Applications Received 15,322
Regular Decision Applicants Accepted 1,654
Regular Decision Acceptance Rate 11.20%
Early Decision/ Action Applications Received 1,939
Early Decision/ Action Applications Accepted 560
Early Decision/ Action Acceptance Rate 28.90%
Percent of Class Filled by Early Applicants 42.50%</p>

<p>2008 Cornell
Total Number Applications Received 20,822
Total Number Applications Accepted 6,130
Overall Acceptance Rate 29%
Regular Decision Applications Received 18,276
Regular Decision Applicants Accepted 5,010
Regular Decision Acceptance Rate 26.60%
Early Decision/ Action Applications Received 2,546
Early Decision/ Action Applications Accepted 1,120
Early Decision/ Action Acceptance Rate 43.99%
Percent of Class Filled by Early Applicants 36%</p>

<p>2008 Dartmouth
Total Number Applications Received 11,734
Total Number Applications Accepted 2,173
Overall Acceptance Rate 18%
Regular Decision Applications Received 10,455
Regular Decision Applicants Accepted 1,759
Regular Decision Acceptance Rate 16.80%
Early Decision/ Action Applications Received 1,278
Early Decision/ Action Applications Accepted 384
Early Decision/ Action Acceptance Rate 30%
Percent of Class Filled by Early Applicants 35%</p>

<p>2008 Harvard
Total Number Applications Received 19,752
Total Number Applications Accepted 2,110
Overall Acceptance Rate 10%
Regular Decision Applications Received 15,801
Regular Decision Applicants Accepted 1,208
Regular Decision Acceptance Rate 7%
Early Decision/ Action Applications Received 3,889
Early Decision/ Action Applications Accepted 902
Early Decision/ Action Acceptance Rate 23%
Percent of Class Filled by Early Applicants Non binding - 819/1638 OR 50%</p>

<p>2008 Penn
Total Number Applications Received 18,278
Total Number Applications Accepted 3,846
Overall Acceptance Rate 21%
Regular Decision Applications Received 11,504
Regular Decision Applicants Accepted 2,726
Regular Decision Acceptance Rate 17%
Early Decision/ Action Applications Received 3,387
Early Decision/ Action Applications Accepted 1,120
Early Decision/ Action Acceptance Rate 33.10%
Percent of Class Filled by Early Applicants 45%</p>

<p>2008 Princeton
Total Number Applications Received 13,690
Total Number Applications Accepted 1,732 (101 from waitlist)
Overall Acceptance Rate 12%
Regular Decision Applications Received 11,875
Regular Decision Applicants Accepted 1,050
Regular Decision Acceptance Rate 8.80%
Early Decision/ Action Applications Received 1,815
Early Decision/ Action Applications Accepted 581
Early Decision/ Action Acceptance Rate 32%
Percent of Class Filled by Early Applicants 50%</p>

<p>2008 Yale
Total Number Applications Received 19,674
Total Number Applications Accepted 1,950
Overall Acceptance Rate 9.90%
Regular Decision Applications Received 15,600
Regular Decision Applicants Accepted 1,280
Regular Decision Acceptance Rate 8.20%
Early Decision/ Action Applications Received 4046
Early Decision/ Action Applications Accepted 670
Early Decision/ Action Acceptance Rate 16.60%
Percent of Class Filled by Early Applicants non-binding</p>