Bates v. Bowdoin v. Colby -- which one is best for an artsy student?

@Sue22

Hi, yes I was not specifically looking for an idea on the artiness of the schools. As you mentioned, I was looking for more general comments. While I will look for other posting as suggested, here’s some info on my son.

He is a junior and maintains about 3.5 GPA (UW) at a competitive boarding school. He took the SAT and his score is about 2100. I don’t really know if he will/should take the test again. He prefers small, close-knit education environment. He does not seem so vocal or active but he is very passionate about what he likes. He will likely become a captain in his school athletic team - not a major sport though - and is expected to become a dorm prefect in senior year. (He was asked by the dorm parent as well as the athletic team coach) He will have spent 4 years in the orchestra as a principal in his section by the time he graduates.

In terms of college major, he is undecided for now. He prefers studying biology in college but also wants more flexibility including psychology & interdisciplinary studies. He is pretty much outdoorsy. They are the reasons why he and I believe a LAC might be a better fit for him. What else… he loves spending time with kids and help out others. Spent appx. 200+ hours teaching English in the local elementary school in the past two summers and he is a student tutor for Chinese. (We are not Chinese heritage though)

Thank you for your advice. Habe a great day!

@jyc1230

Your son’s scores like up nearly exactly like mine, as does his personality a bit. I toured all three of the mentioned schools this August, and will share my impressions. Keep in mind that all schools were out of session when I visited, so its likely that my impression of the student body isn’t spot on.

Bates: I toured here first, and liked most everything on campus, but got a really weird vibe from the town. It’s pretty run down, felt empty, and just not welcoming. There is a large north african (if I’m not mistaken) immigrant population, which I though was really awesome, but it didn’t feel like the rest of the town was connected to them. There were a few interesting restaurants, but it really didn’t feel like a place that I would look forward to exploring. It’s also not a place that one would want to explore without a car. The campus is in a not fancy, but not sketchy, residential area.

Colby: I toured here second, and absolutely fell in love. The evening my Nana and I arrived, there was a super cute festival going on downtown. It was packed with people, food vendors, arts vendors, and even a petting zoo. The town also had quite a few interesting restaurants, including an indian place (a top priority for me, haha) and is set on a river, like Bates. Everyone was very warm. The next day, we drove up to Colby in the morning, which is up the hill, about 10 minutes away from downtown. I love that the campus is in its own little utopian world up on the hill, yet very connected to the town. I loved that the college’s top two clubs are the outdoors club, and a club that pairs students with Waterville students to mentor for at least two years. The administration seems to have gone out of its way to make zipcars and bikes accessible to the students so that they can get to town and to hiking trails, ski slopes, etc, all around. I definitely got an outdoorsy vibe. Also, the food is all local, fresh, and delicious. I had salmon and quinoa and blueberry ice cream!!

Bowdoin: I really would’ve loved to have liked Bowdoin. It’s in the cutest town, and is the closest to the coast and to Portland. But from the minute I walked into the admissions office, I felt uncomfortable. Bowdoin is very similar to Ivy League schools, and feels like it. We were given information in a very regal, stuffy room by two very preppy, almost pretentious guys before we were led on our tour. My tour guide praised the accessibility of her professors, but also mentioned that she was glad to have the office on campus that will plan your time (hourly or whatever) for you, so that you can stay on top of your workload. I for one, do not want to go to a college that gives me so much work that I cannot organize my own time. I did not have nearly as warm or as personal of a visit as Bates or Colby. I even cancelled my interview, because I knew that I would not be able to fake an interest in the school. Still, my Nana and I ate on campus for lunch, and after we finished and began searching (we had to search for at least 5 minutes) for where to put our trays, not a single soul helped us, which just rubbed us the wrong way.

Best of luck to your son in his search!

P.S. These are the all of the schools to which I have applied, if that is any help:
Carleton, Clark, Colby, Colgate, Davidson, Grinnell, Macalester, Vassar, Wesleyan, Whitman.

Funny, we had a completely different experience on our Bowdoin tour. We did not visit Bates or Colby so I can’t compare. But our campus tour guide seemed down to earth and friendly and we got a very outdoorsy vibe regarding the student population. It didn’t seem snooty and the admissions folks were very helpful in answering our questions and pointing us to a good place to have lunch. My daughter, who has reasonably good snooty filters, really liked Bowdoin (and Vassar) and was turned off by Harvard and Amhert.

That said, we didn’t visit when classes were in session so @teanotwar might have had a more in-depth experience.

Huh @mamaedefamilia , it’s crazy how the right or wrong tour guide can make all the difference! I also really liked Vassar but did not look into Harvard or Amherst. I also didn’t tour when classes were in session, so I am just as likely to have read the campus wrong! Just sharing my experience, as I’m finished applying to schools, so it’s all up in the air now :slight_smile:

@teanotwar Yes, a tour guide can really make or break a campus visit! Our Vassar guide was truly outstanding.

@teanotwar,

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. It will be a lot of help.

I hope you will be accepted to your first choice school!

@jyc1230 IMO Bates has a better location. True the area around the mills is not the prettiest but one is now filled with bars and restaurants.

Lewiston/Auburn has over 50,000 people so there is much more in the area. Waterville shows nicer on a one day trip but since it is so small it doesn’t take long to exhaust what is there.

You probably weren’t aware there is a nature preserve walking distance from Bates that is roughly half the size of NY’s Central Park as well as Lake Auburn which is nearby.

Lewiston is much, much closer to the airport, Freeport and Portland and the coast in general.

Interestingly the crime rate is much lower in Lewiston compared to Waterville, not that Waterville is high but interesting nonetheless.

I wouldnt be so quick to write off Lewiston just because a section of the town has seen better days. Overall, it is a better location than Waterville. Outside of that section, Lewiston/Auburn is a community of middle class well kept neighborhoods. The Bates campus is nicely situated there.

The food at Bates is also much better than Colby’s.

Thank you @jyc1230 !

@ScaredNJDad1

Thank you very much for your insightful opinion. Yes, the area where the school is located can be an important factor to us. Restaurants/shops are also fairly important, considering my child spends 4 years there. When we visit the schools, we will keep what you have said in mind. Have you noticed any considerable difference in school vibe and culture at those schools?

@jyc1230 Bates has a more diverse student body. Preps, hipsters, jocks and geeky kids. In the dining hall they all seemed to congregate together. Colby is more like Bucknell and Colgate, more preppy but certainly not like the 1980s.

Bates is more urban so a more urban student body.

Bates is building two new dorms that will be open for the incoming class.

In terms of admittance, Bates will be harder for females, but about the same for males.

@ScaredNJDad1

Thank you so much! Will keep that in mind.

Colby-too far from anything
Bowdoin-way too preppy, still bragging about Franklin Pierce and the Civil War
Bates-the Bobcats are friendly, and it’s high on the list of graduates going into “helping professions”, which makes sense. Lewiston is still a “pit” IMHO, but plenty of people to help!

Bates has amazing community engagement through the Harward Center and Bonner. And don’t pick a school by first impressions of the surrounding town. If that’s a factor, go to to a city.

Here are a just a few of he restaurants within an easy walk of the Bates campus (20 minutes by foot or 5 minutes on the Bates shuttle)
http://www.foragemarket.com
http://www.guthriesplace.com
https://www.fuelmaine.com/home/
http://www.marchemaine.com
http://www.fishbonesag.com
http://railsmaine.com/menu/
http://www.davinciseatery.com
http://www.thecupcakery.org/home.html
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g40708-d4605885-Reviews-Orchid_Restaurant-Lewiston_Maine.html

plus tons of Indian, Thai, Asian fusion, American, Japanese, and Italian restaurants.
Free wine tastings at The Vault
http://www.wineatthevault.com
and beer tastings at the Baxter Brewing Company.
http://www.baxterbrewing.com/event-calendar/

Which can all be combined with the LA Arts Walk.
http://www.artwalklewistonauburn.com

Lewiston could use a facelift but frankly it is a much better place than Waterville for a lot of reasons.

@Sue22 The Forage Market has outstanding food and its very edgy.

Once a kid settles in and gets a lay of the land, Lewiston becomes much nicer. It is a much better fit for a kid from any major metropolitan area.

At least in the early years, most students spend most of their time on campus, except for outdoorsy activities or comm service, occasional shopping. The thing to check is what’s on campus- concerts, clubs, sports, visiting lecturers, etc.

I mean no offense, but it always strikes me when people put down Lewiston and don’t have complaints about the areas around Wesleyan or Union.

@teanotwar , we toured the three schools a year ago and we had the EXACT same impression in all your observations. We thought Bowdoin was so high and mighty and not very welcoming. The other two schools were much warmer and felt more community oriented.

If art is your thing I’d go Bowdoin, Colby, and then Bates. Art is a discipline, like science, the resources and faculty play a key role in one’s development.