Starr interview on KWTX a disaster. He needs to leave and never come back. The stench is getting stronger every day
He completely got clowned
Baylor losing whatever credibility is left if they don’t fire Starr from law professor position and don’t release full Pepper Hamilton report
@hanna - what did the PSU crime have to do with the players? I agree with those that say you couldn’t come down hard enough on the Administration and Paterno, but the players weren’t involved.
“We don’t know what the players did or got away with. We’ll never know.”
Do you know what the players did or got away with? If you don’t, then it seems we agree.
There was clearly a culture where football outranked moral sanity. In that culture, anything can run amok. The players weren’t involved in the Sandusky situation. But we’ll never know whether Sandusky was the only person taking advantage of the protection.
^come on. We also don’t know what the field hockey team is guilty of. And I guarantee there is far less pressure and scrutiny on the field hockey team than the football team. I don’t remember any posts about how we can’t be sure that women’s soccer players don’t regularly beat their boyfriends because Hope Solo got away with beating up her husband. I understand that football is an easy target, but at some point logic has to enter the process, right?
And just for a general rant, not directed to @hanna. But when schools have an open and notorious system where they exploit 18-22 year olds for millions and millions of dollars a year, I have very little sympathy or understanding for those who are shocked and appalled when something like this happens. Baylor is trying to protect the hundred million dollars a year it makes off of the eighty five young men who are on scholarship to play football there, period. They could give a crap about the women who were assaulted or the players they are exploiting. You reap what you sew.
@MYOS1634 #14. Copied, pasted, and texted to my D. I’ve rambled generalities, but I love how succinct your advice is. I also have The Hunting Ground on our watch list before she leaves for Freshman year.
At most publics and some privates campus police are real police.
Years ago I was involved with a murder case that took place in university housing. The first on the scene were university police. They did an excellent job of securing the scene, protecting the evidence, keeping logs of who went in and out of the apartment, getting a child out of the apartment.
And then the Boulder police came in and screwed it all up.
Actually Barron, no they’re not, because they work for the University and not for the people. They may be competent or excellent, but no matter how much you love your Alma mater do not trust the campus police to think of your kid’s interests and well-being before those of the University, to act in ways that go against the University 's interests, or (in the past in particular) to go against orders when it comes to facilitating an inquiry or digging into the complaint, when the matter is sexual assault. The evidence is absolutely overwhelming that universities haven’t been able to handle this satisfactorily.
All university police should be part of the local police jurisdiction and not beholden to any university and its agenda
Thanks MYOS1634, just watched “The Hunting Grounds.” Wow, just wow. Mandatory viewing for my daughters and will encourage all my friends to watch it as well.
In regards to Baylor, since my daughter was accepted and considered attending, I was following the story since it broke but stopped after she decided to go somewhere else. Glad to see that the University finally took firm action (even though they were forced to given all the negative publicity and scrutiny). I think Baylor parents can take some solance and feel better about sending their children there. It’s still a good school; much better than many more prestigious institutions IMHO, especially after watching the movie and seeing how they handle assault cases. Hopefully, this will send a strong message to them because this type of behavior must be stopped.
@Baylorpoly With TCU’s recent football success, growing notoriety, and proximity to Baylor, I can very easily imagine a spike in TCU apps and commits.
Glad you had a chance to watch it TuckerTroy. I have been recommending this movie to everyone I know. Not happy when I heard this today
http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/look-ex-baylor-prez-ken-starr-thanked-in-delusional-full-page-newspaper-ad
Starr needs to go…this ad is embarrassing
As for TCU Baylorpoly, my daughter was also accepted there with merit scholarships and it was originally her first choice, after multiple campus visits she found that she liked the atmosphere and the friendliness of Baylor so much better. She’s a big football fan but ultimately it comes down to her education and the best fit for her was Baylor. I certainly hope students find the best fit for them regardless of the football team. Frankly the football team shouldn’t matter unless you’re the one playing on it. As for TCU my cousin graduated from there and they have a huge problem with drugs on campus. I know that can happen at any school but the local Fort Worth paper has done multiple stories on it I think I was really turned off when a student almost hit us in the parking lot driving his Lamborghini at TCU. When I asked our tour guide about the Christian aspect of the school she said, “we’re really not that Christian we call it Texas California University”. That for me was a big turn off.
Baylor was definitely the more attractive school from a Christian point of view until the whole sex assault scandal broke. Hopefully it will again once all this crap is cleaned up. They need to release full findings and clean house though before that can happen.
My heart goes out to these victims but rapes are a much bigger problem then a single college. Baylor cases got more publicity because of being a conservative campus, mishandling of matters by a celebrity president and a newsworthy football program. Unfortunately, every college rape or every mishandled assault doesn’t get this much attention.
One in every four college woman (25%) get raped/sexually assaulted during their academic years. More than 54% of college athlete reported to rape their partners. Something has to be done nationwide, just pointing fingers at individual schools isn’t going to solve this issue.
These men should be held accountable, false accusers should be held accountable, college administrators should be held accountable, victims should feel safe/supported. Parents should warm girls to avoid putting themselves in compromised situations and teach them self defense/self confidence.
Hopefully this scandal would not only help Baylor but all other schools too.
I was with you @WorryHurry411 until “warn girls to avoid putting themselves in compromised situations” and yet “teach them…self-confidence.” How do you develop self-confidence while you are being told if you are raped it’s your fault for being in what someone else decides is a compromised situation? So, I would alter your suggestion to, “Parents should teach their children: DON’T RAPE.”
If a woman is drunk, don’t rape her.
If a woman is walking alone at night, don’t rape her.
If a women is drugged and unconscious, don’t rape her.
If a woman is wearing a short skirt, don’t rape her.
If a woman is asleep in your bed, don’t rape her.
If a woman changes her mind in the middle of or about a particular activity, don’t rape her.
If a woman has repeatedly refused a certain activity, don’t rape her.
If your girlfriend is not in the mood, don’t rape her.
If your friend thinks it’s okay to rape someone, tell him it’s not, and that he’s not your friend.
If your friend tells you he raped someone, report him to the police.
If another guy at the party tells you there’s an unconscious woman upstairs and it’s your turn, don’t rape her, call the police and tell the guy he’s a rapist.
*Take from the internet and personally adding “If a woman or a man,” plus “don’t rape or assault them.”
Rape is an issue at college campuses across the country but the level of deception and failure on some many levels on so many occasions have not been this bad before.
“Parents should teach their children: DON’T RAPE.”
Of course they should. And I sympathize with the wish to make the problem this simple. But I don’t see internet memes proposing “DON’T MURDER” as a solution to the problem of murder.
To me, this sounds like “Just Say No” as a way to end the drug crisis. Yeah, it’s true that if no one took drugs, we wouldn’t have a drug problem. But it didn’t work. Solving widespread crime and public health crises is a whole lot more complicated than that. I’m not rejecting any categories of possible solutions that researchers can find.