BBA at Ross.

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<p>How different is the BBA from a regular BS in Econ or Business?</p>

<p>I'm from India so don't know too much about college in the US.</p>

<p>I'm seriously considering applying to the BBA at Ross.</p>

<p>I want to inquire if the BBA at Ross is at par with (Econ majors or the business school degrees)ones at, let's say, UChicago, Northwestern, Duke, Columbia, Penn, Dartmouth?</p>

<p>What are the job placements like? Will it end up taking me on Wall Street? (the IBanking/Consultancy industry)</p>

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<p>You should probably do Ross if you want to do banking or consulting, simply because the banking recruiting will be infinitely stronger (unless you can nab some good experience on your own prior to recruiting).</p>

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<p>There is no such thing as a BS in Business at Michigan (nor any other American school I don’t think). A BBA is the degree for someone majoring in business.</p>

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<p>Academically, Michigan’s Econ department is one of the best, both at the graduate and undergraduate levels. I can only think of a handful of schools (Chicago, Harvard, MIT, Northwestern, Princeton, Stanford and Yale) that have better undergraduate Economics offerings.</p>

<p>As far as placement into top Wall Street firms, Michigan Econ is not the most optimal. That is not an indicator of academic quality. Other excellent Economics departments, like Chicago, Northwestern and even Stanford, are not known for having great connections with Wall Street, while other, lesser Economics departments (such as Dartmouth and Duke) seem to place a large number of their undergrads into Wall Street firms.</p>

<p>Ross is a different animal altogether. The only three entities that are more heavily recruited by Wall Street heavy hitters than Ross are Harvard, Princeton and Wharton. Ross is in the next group of programs, which include Columbia, Dartmouth, Duke, MIT, Penn (minus Wharton), Stanford and Yale. Below is a sampling of Ross placement into the following firms over the past 5 years:</p>

<p>MANAGEMENT CONSULTING: (this industry typically hires very few undergrads and focuses most of its recruitment activity on MBA programs, so the fact that they even hire at Ross is impressive).
McKinsey & Co: 18 hires (2 in 2010)
Bain Consulting: 17 hires (5 in 2010)
Boston Consulting Group: 7 hires (2 in 2010)
Booz Allen: 4 hires (0 in 2010)</p>

<p>INVESTMENT BANKS
JP Morgan: 59 hires (16 in 2010)
Citigroup: 40 hires (11 in 2010)
Credit Suisse: 40 hires (2 in 2010)
Goldman Sachs: 32 hires (6 in 2010)
UBS: 32 hires (6 in 2010)
Deutschebank: 30 hires (6 in 2010)
Morgan Stlaney:23 hires (4 in 2010)
Lehman Brothers (R<em>I</em>P): 18 hires
Barclays: 2 hires in 2010</p>

<p>In total, 322 Ross undergrads have been placed in the above Wall Street powerhouses. That’s roughly 20% of all Ross undergrads being placed into top 10 BB IBanks and top 5 Management Consulting firms. Just as a comparison, Wharton, which is almost double the size of Ross, placed 807 (or 25%-30%) of its undergrads into those same top Management Consulting firms and BB Ibanks in the same period. </p>

<p>OTHER HIGH PROFILE COMPANIES:
Microsoft: 31 hires (5 in 2010)
Google: 14 hires (7 in 2010)
Cisco: 12 hires (1 in 2010)
General Electric: 8 hires (2 in 2010)</p>

<p>Keep in mind that 2009 and 2010 have been extremely difficult due to the global economic depression (the worst since the Great Depression). Even then, recruitment activity on campus has been good. </p>

<p>2010
<a href=“http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2010.pdf[/url]”>http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2010.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>2009
<a href=“http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2009.pdf[/url]”>http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2009.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>2008
<a href=“http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2008.pdf[/url]”>http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2008.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>2007
<a href=“http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2007.pdf[/url]”>http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2007.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>2006
<a href=“http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2006.pdf[/url]”>http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2006.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>pretty sure msu offers a bs in business</p>

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<p>Well there’s the understatement of the century.</p>

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<p>Stanford is very well recruited, more West Coast though, naturally. All the Chicago banks go to NU, decent New York activity as well. Don’t know as much about U Chicago, but it is my understanding that there is a fair amount of recruitment there. On the other hand, I believe there are two banks that are coming to recruit at Michigan.</p>

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<p>Giants, I agree, but I was speaking relatively. Chicago and NU have two large Econ departments, each of which is considered among the top 5 in the nation. Unlike Michigan, where the majority of qualified candidates (from the Econ and other LSA departments) enroll into Ross, at NU and Chicago, they must all compete with each other for far fewer spots.</p>

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<p>Oh, and don’t forget the top IB boutiques (Lazard/Evercore/Greenhill/Moelis/Blackstone), that many would argue are more selective/of higher quality than several (even most) of the bulge brackets. Ross has good placement into those firms. Further, Allen & Company, a very prestigious boutique who just began recruiting undergrads this year, chose Ross as one of its targets.</p>

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<p>True Giants. I was recruited Lazard back in my day…and I was LSA, not Ross. Bruce Wasserstein (RIP), CEO of Lazard at the time, was a proud and loyal Michigan alum.</p>

<p>There is no doubt that when it comes to IBanking and Management Consulting, Ross is a heavyweight.</p>

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<p>Huh. Don’t think I knew he was an alum. Surprised something isn’t named after him.</p>

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<p>So is it very difficult to get a good job from an economics degree at Michigan?</p>

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<p>Depends on your definition of “good”. It’s difficult to get your foot in the door if you’re going for high finance, but it’s not impossible.</p>

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<p>Well heres what I do not get. If you get a BBA at Ross and end up getting an MBA later, or u get an Econ degree from LSA then end up getting an MBA later, what is the benefit to ROSS?</p>

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<p>Question and Answers for you:

  1. What do you need to get into a top MBA program? A great job with great work experience.</p>

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<li><p>How do you get a great job and great experience? Going to a prestigious school where top firms recruit.</p></li>
<li><p>Where do top firms recruit more? Ross or LSA Econ?. Ross.</p></li>
<li><p>Benefit of Ross? More access to firms, better student body, more recruiters, better career counseling that prepares you for interviews, better networking skills, etc.</p></li>
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<p>Keep in mind that “undergraduate business” isn’t really a respected academic discipline and you’ll have to live with the fact that you missed out on a well-rounded liberal arts education just for more job opportunities and better career services.</p>

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which is exactly why nobody recruits from Ross, right?

because this isn’t the purpose of college right? Like who cares if you don’t have job opportunities after you graduate because those student loans will pay themselves with all the liberal arts knowledge you’ve amassed, right?
■■■■ our forums, you don’t help anyone out.</p>

<p>And I don’t understand what you’re missing out on. In order to get a BBA you only need 45 credits within the business school, which is 15 more than a regular major. So at most, you’re “missing out” on 4 classes that could’ve been electives. However, because the students admitted to Ross are thankfully quite intelligent, they come in with more than 15+ credits already from AP/IB tests and are granted the privelege to take classes that they actually WANT to take. So in a sense, they’re getting a highly specialized education while also receiving a well rounded education in classes that they’re actually interested in. So please don’t make worthless claims like that when you have no idea what you’re talking about.</p>

<p>also, obligatory “LOL DUKE IS FOR ■■■■■■■ AND UGLY GIRLS ONLY”
no, just kidding.
well about the â– â– â– â– â– â– â–  part at least</p>

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<p>You guys are complicating this issue way too much.</p>

<p>Students intent on working for a major IBank or Management Consulting firm at the University of Michigan should ideally graduate with a degree from Ross. FULL STOP! I don’t see why that’s such a problem.</p>

<p>1) As the albatross aptly points out, one only needs to complete 45 gredits at Ross. One can easily double major in Mathematics, Economics, Physics or whatever they wish, while taking the core courses required at LSA to get that “well rounded” education. </p>

<p>2) It is not so much that students enrolled in the college of LSA or the college of Engineering do not get hired by those firms, but rather, that students enrolled in Ross get hired into those firms in alarming numbers (and rates). According to a friend of mine at the career office at Ross, roughly half-two thirds of Ross students are interested in such companies and apply to them. The placement rate for those students is 1 in 2. That is excellent. I would guess that other than Harvard, Princeton and Wharton, no university, college or program has a higher placement rate than Ross.</p>

<p>Of course, getting into Ross is not guaranteed, but most students who are qualified enough to appeal to IBanks and Management Consulting firms should have no trouble getting into Ross once at Michigan. All it takes is an above average GPA and the ability to express (in writing) why one wishes to get a degree from Ross.</p>

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<p>what would that gpa be? +3.6? because I’m in engineering and its tough as hell</p>

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<p>^ i have never had an engineering friend with 3.1/3.2+ who didnt get into the bschool…ross knows the difference between COE and LSPlay</p>

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<p>I would not recommend a Ross BBA if you plan on going back for a MBA. There is too much duplication in the program.</p>